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Re: GUT strategy demo on casino Wiesbaden
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 06:08:34 PM »
It is all in the pictures. No. of bets and No. of spins

Shall I shine your shoes as well?
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2017, 06:19:41 PM »
(lol) Again, being defensive. You post the good news with ease. All I ask, is for the posters to see it all.

I always divide total spins by 40 so I can calculate hourly net plus or net loss per unit size of course.

Once again, *EVERYTHING* must be looked at and noted. Why is the NORM to not talk about all info?

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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 06:21:30 PM »
I did talk about, because all Infos are there
 

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 06:34:11 PM »
(rofl).....Okay, I'll combine all info myself in one sentence, one post. No prob.

Geeeeez.
 
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2017, 08:14:52 PM »
Simply you must say what you bet - that is much simplier than what you show - i sugested you conect to online casino and talk via skype- all is simply, you can say what you bet and i will see if you win or not, if you will win serious more than loss  - no problems for me  to recognise your win..... Problem is that in long run  - you will not win... and that you know himself , if not, then you easy will do few millions winings and foregeth about such things, as forums .....
 

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2017, 08:21:03 PM »
... Problem is that in long run  - you will not win... and that you know himself , if not, then you easy will do few millions winings and foregeth about such things, as forums .....

O yes "The longrun" Do you wait to serve "The Zero" later?
What about "House Edge"?
Now that we lost the 10secs. What about the vicious Dealer?
What about the PitBoss?

All your BlaBla is no proof that GUT doesn´t work.

 

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »
KonFu already proved that it doesn't work over millions of spins.
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2017, 12:21:25 AM »
 

""O yes "The longrun" Do you wait to serve "The Zero" later?
What about "House Edge"?
Now that we lost the 10secs. What about the vicious Dealer?
What about the PitBoss?

All your BlaBla is no proof that GUT doesn´t work."" >>

What you call irrelevant and funny and inconvenient, I take it all into consideration.

Ken
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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2017, 07:53:23 AM »
Mr. J

What you do consider or not is irrelevant.
 

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2017, 08:07:12 AM »
KonFu already proved that it doesn't work over millions of spins.

As long as you don´t understand what konfused proved and what gut is playing you shouldn´t keep on lying.

 

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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2017, 08:28:22 PM »
I for one am interested in seeing how this Konfu person over-simplified the testing.  Can you show us because this is the main thrust of these folks who are trying to protect us all?

I find it bizarre that people feel the need to attack others for simply playing a roulette system; that somehow it strengthens them to try and bring other people down?

Jealousy:  That passion of peculiar uneasiness which arises from the fear that a rival may rob us of the affection of one whom we love, or the suspicion that he has already done it; or it is the uneasiness which arises from the fear that another does or will enjoy some advantage which we desire for ourselves.  Jealousy is nearly allied to envy, for jealousy, before a good is lost by ourselves, is converted into envy, after it is obtained by others.

Aren't all of these attacks about how the attacker plays roulette better and how others don't?  It is certainly not a virtue or a postive thing about one's character to behave in this manner.

Anyway, can you show us how the 1M spin test failed to take into account the proper statistics?
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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2017, 08:50:58 PM »
Hi Reyth,

What KonFuSed tested was:

We have a crossing F0 vs F1  -  14 vs 13
He searched for this combination and checked the Result of the next spin.
So he did with all possible crossings of F0 vs F1 ( and only these)

That is the same as you would test betting one single Number (e.g. 14) over 1 million spins. doing this also with every other number.

The result is (who doubts) always -2,7 (-5,4) %.

As I always said:
this is the basic need for GUT otherwise I couldn´t be sure to get a hit.
Because besides the crossings there are hints to bet or not to bet. Real as Herb disturb the explanations that much, that it was impossible to give these lessons.

As everybody can see: The title of that thread (Constructive revue and explanation ...) is a joke. They brought nor constructive revue (only the same old AP-Players-BlaBla) nor did they explain WHY it wouldn´t work.
They just don´t know what they are talking about.
They just hate GUT and me and try to put it down since more than 10 years.
What kind of characters are they?
Everybody can judge by his own.
 

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2017, 09:04:42 PM »
Ok, so we aren't playing like robots, when something goes wrong in one area, it is more likely to go right in another area?

You have evolved your method to the point that you can narrow down the statistics through a series of specific events?

That sounds like a well thought out, creative and statistically realistic method to me.

I know that roulette does have practical limits but we cannot achieve them directly, we need to find creative ways to address them and that is the key to successful system design.

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I realize you are not the only person to have designed a successful system, but it is the same battle for all of us individually, to overcome the extreme difficulties that roulette poses & the critics who try to make it even more difficult.
 
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Re: GUT strategy demo on casino Wiesbaden
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2017, 09:24:26 PM »
Here's the problem, explained by Bayes...

Bayes wrote: "When you published your GUT system on VLS years ago, Kon-Fu-Sed simulated it and it failed. Your response was to say that you need to apply "gambler's intelligence" in order to make it work. But you never defined what "gambler's intelligence" actually is. Ever since then, you've continued to claim that the system works, but have never clearly explained how to play it. A prime example of obscure details that lead people along."

Then here's how I define the problem with the GUT as well...

The GUT didn't work because each crossing failed to perform.  Each defined crossing lost at the house edge as expected.
If each crossing losses, then the sum of all crossing is also going to be a net loser.  This is what Kon Fu Sed had tested and concluded.

In the end it was determined that the GUT appeared to work because of faulty testing that enabled the user to look backwards and forwards during the testing process to find which crossing worked the best.  The flaw was not intentional and was obviously an unintentional consequence.  In my opinion Winkel did not try to mislead anyone, but rather other people misled themselves by continuing the curve fitting process (unintentional time travel) while testing the system.

 Winkel still claims the system works, but can't define the latest rules of the system, because doing so would enable someone like Kon Fu to once again demonstrate that it won't work.  His claim is that it relies on the human element.  It's possible that he honestly doesn't realize that it doesn't work because he too has fallen victim to the curve fitting process.

Curve fitting is a common problem when inexperienced players test systems without carefully defining the rules of the system, test parameters, and limit the degrees of freedom being tested.
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Re: GUT strategy demo on casino Wiesbaden
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2017, 12:32:46 PM »
Did you ever refer to one of my arguments? No!
How often did I answer?
Did you ever react to them?
No! you just keep on munching the same old cigar.

Your kind of discussion is equal to faschists style. even if you sound friendly you are passive aggressive.