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Title: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: GambleOnlineRoulette on September 22, 2017, 05:33:25 PM

Has anyone Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too regular?
How much or how long Online/Land-Based Casino's will give the player a win before the ban will be given to the player?
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: Reyth on September 22, 2017, 05:50:31 PM
I have heard of people getting emails about "your winnings have exceeded the alotted limits" and they were prevented from continuing.

I have heard of another case where a particular casino has said "you are guilty of 'systematic play'" and refused to pay out.

It is very important that we play at casinos that we know have a proven track record of paying on winnings.

A general rule that I am familiar with is that the amounts of our withdrawals should be only a percentage of our original deposit amount at any one time.  The common strategy to accomplish this is to have multiple casinos that we play with, spreading our winnings & withdrawals over time.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 22, 2017, 07:00:25 PM
None of the Casinos I ve mentioned on my list has any such restrictions, nor have I ever had problems withdrawing my winnings from any of them.

Unibet for example is a huge sportsbetting company. Professional Gamblers betting on fotball (soccer) or any other popular sport easily win and withdraw sums in the tens to hundreds of thousands of euro every week without problems ( I know a few). Do you really think they would even blink if you won something around 20-30,000 euro a week on their roulette tables? It is almost hilarious this thought is promoted among forums but then I guess this concerns those small online webpages, providing nothing more than studio roulette or RNGs.

Why not call Unibet, Portomaso, Dublinbet or Ladbrokes (their roulette studios sucks though) and ask them for how much you can withdraw each week? They have excellent support lines. Give them a beep and ask to be connected to the Cashier. If you wonder if they would deny your withdrawal request of a couple of thousand euros, Unibet will probably think at first you are joking, or ask you to restate the question (their turnover is in the billions of Euro), or just plainly answer what they usually answer; we have no withdrawal limit, Sir. but we do ask for patience for withdrawals over 100,000€ as it might take up to 5 banking days for the transfer to your bank account.

If you would happen to win a couple of millions on their slots they will pay, as they are insured.

Some Casinos like for example Dublinbet have a deposit limit of around 2-3,000 euro per deposit, but once you become VIP they basically allow limitless deposits as you become a well known customer with a turnover they expect mathematically to regain over an extended time considering the odds they offer. 

The deposit restriction in these smaller Casinos are there because of certain money laundering laws that they have to obey considering their registered location. Usually Costa Rica, Curacao (Dutch colony) or similar.

That is all. My advice is start gambling a couple of thousand a month and withdraw your winnings on a weekly basis, so you learn the process of withdrawal request, and transfer to your bank account or bank card until you find yourself comfortable to play for larger sums.

Remember, all Casinos expect you to inform Tax authorities about your winnings. If you read their terms and conditions it is clearly stated there in black and white.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: MrPerfect. on September 22, 2017, 10:43:25 PM
All casinos online expect you to loose. If you start to win consistently, you will see what is it about. They will not cause you any problems if you are long time looser, but if you will become a winner, it will be funny.
    From these you mentioned, Dublin is crying loud if you withdraw more then 1k a day or 5k a week, uni bet will allow you to win up to 20k max, portomaso stoped to sell video feed all together to UK after my 15k win and l was waiting 5 weeks for money arrive after that.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 23, 2017, 05:02:08 AM


MrP, I like some of your posts but I have to say that sometimes your comments are full of bulls..t that have very little, to nothing, to do with true reality.

The only thing I saw in your comment that was true and I smiled to myself while reading it was about Dublinbet. Yes, they are whining like a bunch of bitches whenever you try to withdraw anything above 2,000€ (not 1K as u mentioned), but they always transfer. I never keep my deposits for long time in any Casino that is registered outside Europe, despite size as a deposit merely takes minutes to execute,  so I withdraw my deposits and winnings regularly as the transfer period to my accounts (Neteller, or my bank account depending on Casino) are seldom over 3 days to Neteller and 5 days to my ordinary bank account.

You mentioned, Portomaso gave you problems for a withdrawal request of 15K??? Are you kidding? Who is your VIP contact at the management department? Leonora, Karen, Jonathan (a cocky little s***) or Stefano? For problems with smaller sums I recommend you get to know Stefano, for larger sums like 10K and above always talk with Ruth Camilleri (one of their excellent VIP Managers).

Only 20K from Unibet? Are you joking? If they couldn´t pay out larger sums than that they would have to file for the European bankruptcy equivalent of Chapter 11 within a week. Do you even know what a Sports betting company of their size that is close to the market giant Ladbrokes or the Bettson Group has as a yearly turnover? We talk billions here and millions of customers.

A rumor hitting the market (and of course verified) that they denied one of their customers when it came to sportsbetting, or Casino gaming for that matter with a crappy win payout of around 30-50K would send their shares at the stock-exchange  sink like Titanic. here is their current market share price and Market Cap (2.4 Billion USD).

http://markets.businessinsider.com/stock/unibet_group_2-quote (http://markets.businessinsider.com/stock/unibet_group_2-quote)
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: jerome26b on September 23, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
I agree i play on unibet and they always paid me without any discussion within 2 days (i'm talking about 4 figures withdrawal i never did 5 yet but i hope) and when i'm stopping playing on their platform they sent me many times 500 Euros money to have me back to their games.
Sometimes i'm trying to play their slot games even to mix my games cause i don't want they ban me, their platform is the one i prefer, very stable, never a disconection that i experienced with some other sites.

Jérôme
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: Sputnik on September 23, 2017, 10:51:03 AM


I know Unibet among many others ban sportbettors - but i don't know how they deal with casino games
This is known fact among them and i read many complaints at Swedish sport betting forum Sharp
Now i don't play daily online so my experience is limited and i don't know the all the facts behind the storys about gamblers who has been ban.

Cheers
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: MrPerfect. on September 23, 2017, 11:13:23 AM
 Thomas, l do not say unibet do not pay, what l say they do not like long term winners. After some amount won they start to mess with your video feed, it's simply slown down , so you can't place  bets in time. 
    I had no vip status on portomaso,  it's still blocked to UK players ( some years already) . Should l post skrinshot what l see when l try to assess their website, or you simply will believe my "bs" words?
   
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 23, 2017, 11:52:00 AM
Relax, MrP.

One in my team is from the UK and has had similar problems with their video-feed. Though I live in Sweden where we have 200 MB to 1 GB broadband in most big cities for private users, I too can experience net-congestion when dealing with both Portomaso and Unibet a few times every month.

I spoke with their staff and they just informed me that during certain days they have so many users logged on their servers simply cannot handle the traffic. I can buy that as I have a good friend who is a sysadmin in my town and explained that some of these companies  still use old equipment and software that is not upgraded with the latest server tech on the market. I can believe that about Portomaso in Malta, but still compared to Casinos like Dublinbet or Fairway (Costa Rica), they are very fast and good most of the time. Their Oracle proxy connection, suck though, which is pity because I truly love that Casino that has the most beautiful tables and girls online LOL ;D

Unibet has good servers but it seems many times the video feed problem is on the side of their Casinos they represent. Like for example, Casino International and Platinum Casino.

One situated in Zagreb Croatia and the other in Bucarest Romania. Even if the cameras they ve set up are good, the old cable architecture they use in their country is really not built for fast and massive traffic. Consequently when u use the platforms from Unibet sending from these locations u can have strange things sometimes like signal delay, video black outs for a few seconds and even pay out delay on a win to your account. Small things that contributes to irritate the player and which I call EI-effects (Enviromental Interference Effects).

If you do not have a cool head they contribute to increase the odds in the Casino´s favor because you will be prone to make an error that might cost you an important bet necessary to turn around a temporary negative variance on your bet selections

Yet compared with what else is available out there, these Casinos, and sport betting institutions, are still top of the line.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: MrPerfect. on September 23, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
Thomas, l got 250 MG broadband myself...
   One thing is to speak with their support,other is really team up with someone from other country. When you ( in this case l) have s***ty connection and guy let's say from Canada on 15mb network has perfect video, it helps to see what really is going on.
   I often had to relay on many connections (accounts) and there was 7!!! of them in some point. It's just to make you realise how serious l was about online play. I even considered to make a soft to play different numbers from my predicted sector from different accounts. I'm system administrator myself ( between other things) , nessesity obligated,  and l can tell you with all l know up till now, they mess with video on the purpose.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 23, 2017, 05:50:12 PM
I agree i play on unibet and they always paid me without any discussion within 2 days (i'm talking about 4 figures withdrawal i never did 5 yet but i hope) and when i'm stopping playing on their platform they sent me many times 500 Euros money to have me back to their games.

Jérôme

Yes, Jerome they do this to me too. What I cannot tell them if I don´t play for a month and my email box is filled with some cash offerings begging me to return to their tables, is that I am using a monthly rotation system where I play at 4-5 Casinos a month. Whenever I go to the next Casino in the line, I first withdraw all funds from the latest I used and deposit them in the next, or if the withdrawal take more than 1 day, I deposit new money in the coming Casino and just wait for the money to credit my bank account from the old one.

This of course makes their VIP managers a bit nervous sometimes so I receive the most hilarious emails, but soon enough they become a bit irritating because they know I ll be with them again within a 4-5 weeks.

Yes, Unibet is a nice Casino, very professional and especially "caring" if you play with funds above average client deposits.

Yet, I am very weak for the Maltesian Casinos. I don´t know, Its something with them I just love. They combine Italian fashion style, with Portuguese refined manners and conversational beauty and a French strictness that I find irresistible.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: Reyth on September 23, 2017, 06:28:22 PM
You completely rotate 100% of your funds on a schedule. 

Do you think it also helps you keep a low profile in any way regarding your betting history? 

Are you just concerned about minimizing your exposure for account failure to one casino at a time? 

Is this because you can only trust a casino that will let you withdraw 100% of your earnings and you need to prove immediately that they will do so?

Why do you do it this way?

Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 23, 2017, 07:08:05 PM
Do you think it also helps you keep a low profile in any way regarding your betting history? 

Not much. Any assigned VIP Manager in a large Casino knows your betting history quite well. All online casinos have incredible records of their gamblers and players.  By withdrawing funds I get certain advantages of which  Cash offerings, faster support response (when their betting platforms create trouble during game), offerings of playing at their Land based Casino with payed hotel accomodation (usually 2-3 days), and of course a few other perks. But these things don´t interest me much, except the faster support of course.

Are you just concerned about minimizing your exposure for account failure to one casino at a time? 

In the past that was a reason, yes. I had accounts with UK Casinos and they all had horrible service and one of them I even got out my funds in time before it went belly up. Some of them are also really rude against their customers, especially big winners. Since then I avoid British Casinos like a plague, except Ladbrokes, they don´t care how much you win as they have intricate insurance packages with Lloyd´s Insurance and are also of course on the stock exchange.

The experiences I had with British casinos taught me that a Casino, however large, is never a bank with a savings protection limit. Hence always remove your funds when you don´t play there for a longer period than a week or two, especially in these financially volatile times where owners of Large Casinos also trades in extremely dangerous financial derivatives, and especially the synthetic custom tailored ones which I suspect will spell trouble in the market both in USA, Europe and Asia.


Is this because you can only trust a casino that will let you withdraw 100% of your earnings and you need to prove immediately that they will do so?

In the past when I encountered a new Casino I knew little about, except what I had been given via a recommendation from a  trustworthy friend,  sure, that was a good way to study the process from - winnings - request of withdrawal - time of transfer to assigned Bank account and so on. My average deposit was very low. Around 500-1,000€ in case they proved to be untrustworthy or full of tricks creating much EI effects during game and withdrawal process.

These days though I have a nice collection of five online Casinos that all have proven to be trustworthy and efficient in all these stages. No need to hunt for greener grass on the other side of the fence.

It has worked fine so far and I never like to be dependent on one source for my gaming.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: GambleOnlineRoulette on September 23, 2017, 08:38:34 PM

European Economic Area Tax-free Online Casinos

European Economic Area European Union countries, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. However, most of the tax-free online casinos are located in European gaming centers in Gibraltar, Cyprus or Malta. In addition, France, Italy, the United Kingdom and Estonia grant licenses, but apply only to residents of those countries

Choosing an operator with a license in the European Economic Area guarantees you the same tax-free casino winnings. Otherwise, you may have to pay a large amount of money if you happen to catch a big jackpot, for example.

No Tax-free And Tax Countries

Malta Gaming Authority Licensed casinos in these countries distribute tax-free profits:

Malta
Gibraltar

The profits of casinos in these countries are taxable income:

Man-Island (Isle of Man)
Kahnawake (Indian reservation) in Canada)
Antigua
Netherlands Antilles
Alderney
Northern Territory (Australia)
Costa Rica
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 23, 2017, 08:53:40 PM
That is correct,  but as a client and receiver of winnings from these Casinos registered in Europe you still have to file your winnings in your income declaration. Failure to do so results in steep fines. The Casino itself as per stated in their terms and conditions are not under any obligation to provide a report to your Tax authority unless directly requested by said authority.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: GambleOnlineRoulette on September 23, 2017, 09:34:06 PM
If you win like 500K - 1 million then you might get banned more sure casino but nowadays no more roulette players can do it anymore so high wins, especially at online casinos or at least they are not in the public domain

Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: kav on September 27, 2017, 07:21:52 PM
The solution is simple:
Win less than $500K.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer on September 28, 2017, 05:48:22 AM
How much online or land based casino gives you win it the thing is not exactly known. It only knows the person who is banned online or landbased casinos but obviously there is no such person on this forum so we can assume that we are all so bad roulette players that we do not have any risk for the casinos to plunder their money with too big profits  ;)
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: thomasleor on September 28, 2017, 09:38:51 AM


Seriously, are you off your rockers? I mean, where is your sense of reality?

I can assure you that professional roulette players (not obsessive gamblers), that consistently make 20-50,000 € a month are very few. At least in Europe. Even if you manage to make between 10-20,000€ a month you are a very well off Roulette player and still not disturbing the monthly max withdrawl window in most good European online Casinos.

The land based are of course open to way higher limits, but no good roulette player with merely paper and pen or only his head can beat these Casinos consistently. Yes, the good word of any applied game in Casinos is not winning large, but winning CONSISTENTLY. This basically means your win-loss ratio, session wise, is on a positive side.

I know of a few Japanese high rollers that love visiting certain Casinos in Macau, betting anything from 10-50,000 $ (HKD) per bet on straight ups, but these guys, although they can rake in several 100s of thousands of dollars on every bet, are still losers at days end when they leave the casino. Why? Because they are usually half drunk with a bunch of babes clinging on them, while they try to stay conscious enough to place next bet.

They are rich spoiled sons and heirs  to Japanese Financial and Industrial Keiretsu´s. But none of these guys have I ever seen win anything equal to,  or over, 1,000,000$ (HKD) and not even close to that amount in USD.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: Reyth on September 28, 2017, 02:00:54 PM
I think the thing with this forum is that most people play at land based casinos and I have only heard one story of someone being arrested in Las Vegas for winning too much, being asked to leave and refusing but I don't know if the story is reliable.  If his story is true he is playing wildly with too much risk (basically got lucky) and most people don't do this.

The majority of stories for being banned for winning too much come from online casinos. 
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: shapecode99 on September 29, 2017, 07:31:22 AM
most people here doesn't know about continuously winning £2k to £10k or more are getting banned online.
its hard to make a comment here coz most of you criticize the reality who's real and who's not.

Title: The one who wins every month 100% sure 2000 to 50000
Post by: LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer on September 29, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
The one who wins every month 100% sure  2000 to 50000 ready talking about almost nonloss roulette gambler
All the hardest roulette is to maintain winning sessions or to generally overcome the all sessions by month win more sessions than lose sessions
Maybe the best option is to deposit some basic amount of online casino on which you play and make winnings and always withdraw after the session wins but the amount that you have started playing will always remain in the casino account if you have started for example 2000 € playing and you win at the game so that the 2000 € rises even though 2551 € withdraw your winning € 551 and your casino account will remain in 2000 € you will be playing tomorrow session and now with the winnings € 2000 will rise € 2867 home away € 867 and again tomorrow you will be playing session and so on
Title: There are not many big winners or regular winners in roulette
Post by: GambleOnlineRoulette on October 01, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
I would think that those who win many years every month are really few person if at all no evidence of such persons is for the most part a mere speech how to maintain a multi-year unbroken winning streak Roulette
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: MrPerfect. on October 01, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
To win is not that difficult. All you need to do is to limit degrees of freedom of the system. There are 37 ( 38) numbers, if you can throw out of equation at least 3-4, you will win ( with proper money management ).
    Some good vb players can find cases where 9-18 numbers can be effectively "elminated".
   In reality, if you do every thing just right, it's difficult to loose. But to achieve it, need to work, have proper method of prediction, study wheel you wanna play( collect data), make sure that every thing is same as when you took your data...ets.
  Roulette is a hard work that pay off very well.
Title: Collecting information data from it is pointless
Post by: LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer on October 02, 2017, 02:06:45 AM
Collecting information data from it is pointless because the ball may be replaced so all the spins should collect spins made with the same ball, so it is no wonder that the roulettes always have two balls in use
If the spins collect the bias in mind so then the problem is with two different ball spins and in addition the wheels are the RRS random rotor system so the numbers repeat fairly evenly so any numbers do not rise above other significantly
Title: Re: Collecting information data from it is pointless
Post by: Reyth on October 02, 2017, 02:12:29 AM
the wheels are the RRS random rotor system so the numbers repeat fairly evenly so any numbers do not rise above other significantly

If that's true, its cheating.  Genuine random numbers will NOT be balanced in their repeating/gapping; the longer the random sequence, the greater this truth will manifest.
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: MrPerfect. on October 02, 2017, 03:01:16 AM
LROPlayer, what are you tolking about?
   I see your previos post as a scream for help. Probably you collect a wrong data or cant make a sense from data you collect? Describe please what exactly data is for you, so we can understand  your point a bit better.
Title: 16K spins collected Huxley Wheel No significant differences in percentages
Post by: LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer on October 02, 2017, 01:01:07 PM
No significant differences in percentages between numbers if you are playing a bias way should put bets on more than 12 numbers
Title: Re: Banned from Online/Land-Based Casino won too much or won too often
Post by: Reyth on October 02, 2017, 01:26:10 PM
4 461
10 480

13 459 +26
14 456 +23
16 453 +20
17 478 +45

22 469
23 444
28 447
29 469
30 458
35 455

Just for reference, expectation is 433 hits.

May I please ask how many spins that is?  I am guestimating that it is about 16-17,000 spins?

Here is 17000 spins, expectation is 460 spins:

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2it31vp.jpg)

6 = 486
9 = 491

13  = 480
14 = 483
16 = 487


29= 487
32 = 486

Here is also 1000 spins, for reference:

(http://i67.tinypic.com/4h8q6r.jpg)

A difference of only 8-9 hits over a prolonged period is a significant bias in my view; your output has much more than that.
Title: Total 16000 spins
Post by: LiveRouletteOnlinePlayer on October 02, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
Reyth (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2020) total 16000 spins
Title: RNG Bias Is Present!
Post by: Reyth on October 02, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
Thanks, so if like DS 13-18 remain hotter than any other group for hundreds or even thousands of spins, that is enough bias to be profitable. 

Its like the bias is hidden in the output numbers but if we reviewed the history of each number on a graph, we can see the prolonged dominance that is suggested by the output:

(http://i63.tinypic.com/14eb0g2.jpg)

Here we can see only 3 hits over the closest rival in DS 16-21 and maybe only 5-10 hits over the rest of the board, but look at the expectation graph:

(http://i63.tinypic.com/dm2xwm.jpg)

The red line represents expectation.  So a clear dominance can be had with even small bias; this domination above expectation has persisted for about 150 spins (each red mark at the top is 5 spins and there about 30 of them).

I can consistently show this kind of dominance extending for many hundreds and even thousands of spins.

Sorry for the bug in the chart, this number hit so well it went out of range! (blush)

To further show the presence of hidden RNG BiasTM, here is the same session as it continued for the next 150 spins:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/dfu3pt.jpg)

(http://i68.tinypic.com/29zejc.jpg)

With only 10 hits above the median selection and only 3 hits above the nearest competitor, we clearly dominate the board and consistently provide hits above expectation.

The bias grows even greater over the next 200 spins:

(http://i68.tinypic.com/syw2dx.jpg)

Notice this is only 12 hits above the median value!

(http://i68.tinypic.com/25z2q2x.jpg)

Again with the red line indicating expectation, this is a MASSIVE bias (106 LESS spins than expected for the coups taken) that has persisted for over 500 spins!  How many spins do you play in a session?

Tracking the history is the key, statistical output will tell us what history to look at but it doesn't tell us what happened spin by spin in the session.

Our mistake is glancing at a statistical output and going "oh, it all balanced out" -- IT DIDN'T!

Every hit above expectation represents 37 spins LESS for each of those hits!

So, this is what Dobble means when he says "a short run does not equal a long run" and "all of our sessions are short runs" and why Harry J says we "play the peaks and valleys":

HIDDEN IN THE LONG RUN DATA IS MASSIVE SHORT RUNS OF STREAKS
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(http://www.animateit.net/data/media/310/run.gif)
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WE NEVER HIT THE LONG RUN BECAUSE WE ALWAYS PLAY IN THE SHORT RUN
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(https://i.giphy.com/media/l0NwF1dnk7GRz3pK0/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: 16K spins collected Huxley Wheel No significant differences in percentages
Post by: MrPerfect. on October 02, 2017, 04:49:04 PM
No significant differences in percentages between numbers if you are playing a bias way should put bets on more than 12 numbers
you looking wrong %. Data that you look is unreliable. In short, learn what matters first, it will help you.