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NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« on: February 13, 2017, 07:43:04 PM »
I have been working on this system for a long time now (partly the reason I have been inactive in the forum), and I am happy to announce that it works extremely well, and if some defenses are incorporated into this system it's bulletproof from losing.
             It's extremely simple and triggers come fast. It also an extension of the law of 2/3s.
The system has been tested on paper with real spins from Wiesbaden and also in a real casino, and I can't get it to lose.
The trigger is in the form of XXY. (XX are 2 numbers in the same dozen and Y is another dozen).
 Needless to say that XYX and YXX is the same thing as far as the trigger is concerned.
When we see this trigger in the last 3 numbers spun we simply bet the single dozen (Y), for 3 bets
  However 4 bets is fine too if the minimum is low enough.
Examples:
22,17,35. We bet the 3rd dozen
4,11,13. We bet the 2nd dozen.
25,3,31. We bet the 1st dozen.
I tested it by betting only 3 times. If  it fails, in all 3 bets in the cycle, I wait for a new trigger. Betting 4 times is not wrong. it's a personal choice
  The progression in units can be 1-1-1.5 or 1-1-2 if you like.
If the entire 3 bet cycle fails, you start the new trigger with a slightly higher chip. ( No need to go Martingale for obvious reasons).

Situations where you avoid betting, and wait for things to become more normal
1. If the same dozen appears repeatedly immediately preceding the trigger. (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens).
2. If the playable target dozen ( Y), has appeared more than 3+ times immediately prior to the trigger. (meaning it has appeared enough times already and runs the risk to disappear when you begin betting it  3 times after the trigger).
3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger
4. if there is more than one 0 in the numbers preceding the trigger. (0's tend to come in packs).

I have made a special point to pay attention to consecutive (back to back ), trigger losses and they simply don't happen.
Sometimes you will get 2 back to back trigger losses, but it's rare.
3 back to back trigger losses is extremely rare, and I have not seen 4 + consecutive trigger losses yet.
And I have tested many numbers.
In the picture I have a sample test:
I circle the trigger (XXY) with blue, and when it wins within the 3 playable spins I put a check mark on the number that won.
When it losses,  I put 3 red X's indicating that the 3 spins lost.
As you can see it won 25 times and lost 5 times for 3 spins each time.
But provided that the next trigger after a lost trigger has won, it's obvious that the loss was recovered and if the progression is higher you end up with a profit too. Which means the entire session was a win
The only way you could lose would be if many back to back triggers fail. Like 4+ and if they happen frequently.
But this is not happening in this system. A good B/R can handle a trigger loss here and there, or even 2-3 back to back trigger losses. Which are of course rare.
Any player can handle a 3 steps cycle loss of a single dozen , as it compares to playing 18 and 24 numbers. 

This system can be played "hit and run" style, as you can observe several roulettes for a trigger.
By the way the system applies to COLUMNS too.
And sometimes if you combine dozen and column trigger simultaneously, you can bet the 4 numbers that belong to the same dozen and column at the  same time



 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2017, 08:29:35 PM »
Im trying it out for the past 15 minutes... I go up $10, down $10, up $10, down $10. Seems pretty even to me. I am betting 1, then 1, then 2. Then start over if I dont hit. Are you increasing your bet on the next set?
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2017, 08:36:46 PM »
Very nice!

Have you noticed a difference between triggers:

1) YXX
2) XYX
3) XXY

I would expect that trigger #1 would perform the best, followed by 2 and with 3 performing the worst.

The statistical differences as far as streaks are concerned are:

1) 85.92% (2 buffer + 3 bets = 5 streak)
2) 79.16% (1 buffer + 3 bets = 4 streak)
3) 69.16% (0 buffer + 3 bets = 3 streak)

This is a 16.76% difference between trigger 1 and trigger 3! :o

Your betting conditions are very interesting.  I am studying these...

Quote from: The Pale Rider
1. If the same dozen appears repeatedly immediately preceding the trigger. (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens).

By repeatedly, is this 3 or more?

Quote from: The Pale One
3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger

Most ingenious!  This is of course referencing the Z which as not come in at all!

Quote from: His Paleness
4. if there is more than one 0 in the numbers preceding the trigger. (0's tend to come in packs).

Why preceding?  I would consider preceding to be favorable. 

What about during?  In other words, I would say that if a zero appears DURING our progression we immediately stop betting.

If I see a zero before betting I rejoice and heck more than one and I am ecstatic!

Have you considered any advantageous ways to include Z in your patterns?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 08:52:50 PM by Reyth »
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2017, 10:58:01 PM »
Im trying it out for the past 15 minutes... I go up $10, down $10, up $10, down $10. Seems pretty even to me. I am betting 1, then 1, then 2. Then start over if I dont hit. Are you increasing your bet on the next set?
That's good. At least is shows that it doesn't have the tendency to lose.
Yes after a lost set , you increase the starting chip in the next set.
What's  most important,  is that you don't want to encounter many consecutive set losses.
If the losing sets alternate among several wins, then a good B/R should overcome any set loss, provided the losing sets don't  repeat many times back to back, which doesn't happen. Otherwise I would not have bothered with this system.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 11:12:01 PM »
So after a lost set, do I increase to 2, 2, 4? Then again to 4, 4, 8? Or is that too much?

Im trying it out for the past 15 minutes... I go up $10, down $10, up $10, down $10. Seems pretty even to me. I am betting 1, then 1, then 2. Then start over if I dont hit. Are you increasing your bet on the next set?
That's good. At least is shows that it doesn't have the tendency to lose.
Yes after a lost set , you increase the starting chip in the next set.
What's  most important,  is that you don't want to encounter many consecutive set losses.
If the losing sets alternate among several wins, then a good B/R should overcome any set loss, provided the losing sets don't  repeat many times back to back, which doesn't happen. Otherwise I would not have bothered with this system.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 11:21:36 PM »
Very nice!

Have you noticed a difference between triggers:

1) YXX
2) XYX
3) XXY

I would expect that trigger #1 would perform the best, followed by 2 and with 3 performing the worst.

The statistical differences as far as streaks are concerned are:

1) 85.92% (2 buffer + 3 bets = 5 streak)
2) 79.16% (1 buffer + 3 bets = 4 streak)
3) 69.16% (0 buffer + 3 bets = 3 streak)

This is a 16.76% difference between trigger 1 and trigger 3! :o

Your betting conditions are very interesting.  I am studying these...

Quote from: The Pale Rider
1. If the same dozen appears repeatedly immediately preceding the trigger. (it's a sign of anomaly that can affect the rest of the dozens).

By repeatedly, is this 3 or more?

Quote from: The Pale One
3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger

Most ingenious!  This is of course referencing the Z which as not come in at all!

Quote from: His Paleness
4. if there is more than one 0 in the numbers preceding the trigger. (0's tend to come in packs).

Why preceding?  I would consider preceding to be favorable. 

What about during?  In other words, I would say that if a zero appears DURING our progression we immediately stop betting.

If I see a zero before betting I rejoice and heck more than one and I am ecstatic!

Have you considered any advantageous ways to include Z in your patterns?
No I haven't made a point to examine the way the trigger forms and how it affects the results.  But looking at the picture I posted initially with the system, I noticed that almost all lost triggers,  came from a trigger that was NOT IN THE FORM YXX. Good point, that might be yet another powerful  tweak.
The only problem is that it narrows the availability of triggers, making the system slow.
But if you bet with $100 chips, then it's worth the wait, if the certainty increases many-fold.
     Yes 3+ repeats preceding the trigger, is a cause of concern.
All you have to do is wait idle a few more spins, to break the streak.
      No if the 0 appears in one of the steps we play, we don't stop. It's just a losing bet.
I usually avoid a trigger formed after the presence of at least 2 Z's in the prior spins close to the trigger. because it might repeat during the playable steps. But this is not a major tweak. At the same time waiting a few spins takes no time at all, to get back to normal distribution of the dozens.
But I will make a point to examine the YXX trigger specifically to see if it wins the majority of the time.
But my testing purpose was to process as many numbers as possible, to determine if I get many back to back trigger losses. But for any NON YXX trigger that loses, there are several triggers that win.
The point is to make sure that back to back losses do not happen. And they don't
Any system that doesn't produce BACK TO BACK trigger losses can be made a winner.
That's the purpose of a healthy  B/R compared to the minimum chip required.
   
« Last Edit: February 13, 2017, 11:50:37 PM by palestis »
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 11:28:55 PM »
So after a lost set, do I increase to 2, 2, 4? Then again to 4, 4, 8? Or is that too much?

Im trying it out for the past 15 minutes... I go up $10, down $10, up $10, down $10. Seems pretty even to me. I am betting 1, then 1, then 2. Then start over if I dont hit. Are you increasing your bet on the next set?
That's good. At least is shows that it doesn't have the tendency to lose.
Yes after a lost set , you increase the starting chip in the next set.
What's  most important,  is that you don't want to encounter many consecutive set losses.
If the losing sets alternate among several wins, then a good B/R should overcome any set loss, provided the losing sets don't  repeat many times back to back, which doesn't happen. Otherwise I would not have bothered with this system.
If you are testing it without actually playing it with real money then you can increase the chips  just the way you mentioned. But you shouldn't be getting  many back to back losses, except 2 and that's once in a while. If from 1-1-2 you jump to 2-2-4 you should be close to recovery of the previous loss under 1-1-2. Then you can continue the next 2 triggers with 2-2-4 and not only recover completely , but show a profit too. When that happens you revert back to 1-1-2.
In the casino I play this system I use $10-$10-$15. which translates to 1-1-1.5
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 01:13:21 AM »
this sounds like a pretty good defensive system.

One question. naturally this can be done on colomns too. so what if the trigger indicated that it's worth the gamble to combine both. Lets say second dozen + third colomn.

in this scenario do you play the 15-18-21-24 als single bets instead?
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 03:07:22 AM »
pales, thanks so much for such a great explanation, and the graphics and sharing your hard work! any data on a double zero wheel?
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 11:02:04 AM »
this sounds like a pretty good defensive system.

One question. naturally this can be done on colomns too. so what if the trigger indicated that it's worth the gamble to combine both. Lets say second dozen + third colomn.

in this scenario do you play the 15-18-21-24 als single bets instead?
Yes it can be narrowed down to just 4 numbers, common to the dozen and column.
It doesn't happen often, but when it does, the pay off is much bigger because it's only 4 numbers.
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2017, 11:09:47 AM »
pales, thanks so much for such a great explanation, and the graphics and sharing your hard work! any data on a double zero wheel?
For testing purposes on paper, I use single zero wheel data easily found in various sites.
For 00 wheels I use random.org and add #37 for 00.
But when I actually play it, I play it in 00 wheel because I have no other choice. Usually at the Twin River casino in R.I. The system works equally well on the 00 wheel. The Win/Loss ratio is so high, things are not much different on the 00 wheel. Especially if you employ the defenses I mentioned in the first post.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2017, 05:17:35 PM »
Limited testing, but results are promising.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 08:03:52 AM »
palestis nice work ...

I am known for clustering dozen probability into EC positions and solve this puzzel.
You can play the EC and win two in a row when one dozen is missing using the same triggers as you mention above as the EC waves only have three property states.
Now you know how the missing state looks like and is the reason you can win two bets in a row as you capture the hole formation of that property or state.

I get very good result using this method and will keep it as one of my favorites when i travel around Europé. But i have one test left Before it is a green light and it has to pass my personal benchmark for being long term winner.
Will try this one with Holloways progression.

Cheers
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 05:11:07 PM »
Hi Sputnik , I know you have posted extensively on this topic, but I have never had the nerve to express my confusion, because many others have done that for me. I was wondering if we could maybe take this as a great opportunity for a quick sample play by yourself, for all of us to review. Just a quickie, maybe one play cross referencing each tactic. Believe me I am well aware you have done so enumerous times, but with this topic, maybe the cross reference will gel for us who can't seem to get it. I play ec's and math based, and for the rent, so I am frustrated by my own non ability to see it.

Sample like this........

12, 34, 26.......go

Here, it is clear the play is dozen 1, as long as all trigger rules are adhered to .
Now..., what say you?

Thanks you for your patience!   With Respect, The juice

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »
Thanks for sharing your work Palestis. Very easy system to understand.

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3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger

You don't use this condition in your example. In fact if you used this condition in the example sequence, then you would miss 3 hits (!) and would not have avoided any losses.

So maybe this condition is not such a good idea.
 
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