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DrTalos

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #570 on: March 17, 2017, 07:47:31 PM »
Juice you are absolutely on point, but you have to consider the whole picture. Take for example the last morning I had. I played for 2 hours, for a total of 91 spins. I completed 67 games, for a total won of 83 units (a little above average) with a maximum exposure of 45 units. In 5$ chips is 415$ in 2 hours risking 225$ at the worst moment.
  I was home for lunch, called it a day.

 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #571 on: March 17, 2017, 07:51:20 PM »
A great way to start and end the day. all done before lunch. 8) 
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #572 on: March 17, 2017, 08:04:01 PM »
DR. T., I get it, I really do! I also play 20 hrs a week, and have my own long con method. and I do look at the big picture, thanks for the reply!
While we have you on the line, so to speak, is there any way that you can confirm what you consider to be the only weakness the wheel has? without divulging too much of your system??
OR, am I off in the wrong direction??
As I have stated before in past posts, I do not play the same way as you, but who doesn't want a shorter path to greatness? If I or anyone else benefits from this thread, it makes it all worth it.

Thanks, juice

 
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #573 on: March 17, 2017, 09:19:40 PM »
I absolutely do not want people play like me, that is for sure!

Between the lines, I already said in a very subtle way what's the weakness of the wheel.

 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #574 on: March 17, 2017, 11:40:24 PM »
Well here it is.  I'm thinking about the first four bets.  so I won't play them now.  He lost all four and I made a mistake saying he won one of them  So let's skip them for the time being.  Any time there is a Zero or two numbers in the same street I used Street 1-3 closest to Zero. Doesn't mean it right, just what I used.

Enjoy

no bet reference
18

23 (18 numbers) Loss

4  (18 numbers) Loss

24  (24 numbers) Loss

28  (24 numbers) Loss

(Begin last four streets)
Bet Streets 28,24,4,1 (I bet street 1-3 everytime there are two numbers in the same streets in the past 4 or a Zero)
0   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,22,4 (zero is not played)
15   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 13,1,28,22 (closest Street To Zero)
30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,13,22,1
20   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 19,28,13,1
30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,19,13,1
15   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 13,28,19,1
00   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,28,19
25   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 1 (closest Street To Zero),25,13,28
5   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 4,1,25,13
30   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,4,25,1
35   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 34,28,4,25
15   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,34,28,4
18   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 16,13,34,28
32   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 31,16,13,34
23    (12 numbers) Loss

Total is 258 numbers. Matches his total of 258 and three hits.

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Bet Streets 22,31,16
15 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,22,31
34 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 34,13,22
11 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,34,13
35 (9 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 34,10,1
24 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 22,34,10
2  (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 1,22,34
13 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,1,22
36 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 34,13,1
29 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 28,34,13
21 (9 number bet) LOSS

9 out of 10 drops the bet to 6

Bet Streets 19,28
21 (6 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 19,28
2  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 1,19
24 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 22,1
9  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,22
8  (6 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 7,1
24 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,22
11 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,22
14 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,10
1  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 1,13
26 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 25,1
21 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 19,25
8  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,19
14 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,7
11 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,13
9  (6 number bet) LOSS

now he hits more problems, as he said he had three more hits, but he hit a brick wall of 10 loser in a row at the ends.  This results in what I have discovered as his emergency recovery.

Recovery for ten losses in a row.

Bet Street 7,10,13 & 9 Straight Up
11    (9 number bet) WIN on street only
Bet Street 10,7,13 & 11 Straight Up
1      (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Street 1,10,7 & 1 Straight Up
5      (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Street 4,1,10 & 5 Straight Up
17    (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Street 16,4,1 & 17 Straight Up
10    (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Street 10,16,4 & 10 Straight Up
16    (18 number bet) Win on Street Only
Bet Streets 16,10,16 & 16 Straight Up
11    (18 number bet) Win on Street Only
Bet Streets 10,16,4 & 11 Straight Up
22    (18 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 22,10,16 & 22 Straight Up
33    (18 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 31,22,10 & 33 Straight Up
33    (18 number bet) Win (++straight up & Street++)

Notice that there are 33 chips missing from the total. He is using these for one of two bets. An extra chip on the last three streets or and extra chip on the last 3 straight up numbers.  I'd go with the extra on the straight up myself.

In this section.  He say "a few more hits," I believe he using the 9 number bet and after 4 out of 5 additional losses the 18 number bet as hedges for the straight up bets.

With the final win on 33 above he now goes back to his 6 number bet and reduces it to 4 numbers for the next section.

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Straight Up 33,1,22,11
16  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 16,33,1,22
27 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 27,16,33,1
00 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 27,16,33
34 (3 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 34,1,27,16
20 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 20,34,1,27
9   (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 9,20,34,1
36 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up36,9,20,34
22 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 22,36,9,20
5   (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 5,22,36,9
32 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 32,5,22,36
36 (4 numbers) (win)
Straight Up 36,32,5,22
6 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 6,36,32,5
4 (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 4,6,36,32
6 (4 numbers) (win)

Exposition at 162

Straight Up 6,4,1,36
3    (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 3,6,4,1
10  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 10,3,6,4
23  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 23,10,3,6
14  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 14,23,10,3
19  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 19,14,23,10
35  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 35,19,14,23
6    (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 6,35,19,14
13  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 13,6,35,19
35  (4 numbers) (win)
Straight Up 35,13,6,1
00  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 35,13,6
9    (3 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 9,1,35,13
29  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 29,9,1,35
17  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 17,29,9,1
25  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 25,17,29,9
21  (4 numbers) (no win)
Straight Up 21,25,17,29
21  (4 numbers) (win)

35 most likely go him close to even. Hitting 21 in less than seven spins after put him in the positive.

Thought?  Anyone want to match the bets to each play?
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #575 on: March 18, 2017, 12:11:00 AM »
Well I don't think there is any way he is betting 4 numbers because his minimum numbers is 6 to bet.
 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #576 on: March 18, 2017, 01:20:30 AM »
Well I don't think there is any way he is betting 4 numbers because his minimum numbers is 6 to bet.

It's impossible.  I show you why:

After he hits the 33, He has played 606 numbers. This isn't my count, it's his. He played a total of 724 numbers. 30 spins left.

724 - 606 = 118

6 numbers played for 30 spins = 180

So, there is no way.  More of his mystery talk?

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #577 on: March 18, 2017, 01:26:28 AM »
Well I don't think there is any way he is betting 4 numbers because his minimum numbers is 6 to bet.

900 units approximately for betting 1 or 2 dozens!  :o

Don't fool yourselves that 2 lines or 3 corners or 4 streets or 6 splits or 12 numbers make any difference from betting 1 dozen, 2 lines = 2 units on 1 dozen, 3 corners = 3 units on 1 dozen, 4 streets = 4 units on 1 dozen, 6 splits = 6 units on 1 dozen and 12 numbers = 12 units on 1 dozen.

The only thing which could make a difference is if the subdivisions don't belong in the same dozen because of the selection criteria.
But since you completely disregard the question ''which?'', you left only with quantities/amounts which make completely no difference, not even in the slightest!
For example risk 10 to win 1 is the same analogy as risking 400 to win 40.

As long as the deviations are below 3 you'd have no problems, but what happens on the rest 2.23% of cases?!

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #578 on: March 18, 2017, 01:31:23 AM »
@RM: Well, I guess we discovered his modification to lower the bankroll requirement then?
 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #579 on: March 18, 2017, 11:30:07 PM »
I need some help here.  Can anyone make this work:

Number before for reference:26,21,8,14,11,9

Start Betting Here

11
1
5
17
10
16
11
22
33
33   

I made a mistake here in my last post.  Can anyone bet this section, playing 168 total numbers, losing 21 units? It has to be a uniform bet, not scatter shots.  ie: a method, not guessing numbers.

If you can, I'll award you with my version of his complete play with bet amounts.  This is the missing section.  I did all the rest.

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #580 on: March 18, 2017, 11:43:45 PM »
    168    ÷         
    21              
    8    =         

It of course would be DS+Split if we were just looking at numbers bet; i.e. the bet selection alone.

Its kind of not fair to reverse engineer it without taking into account actual debt levels?

If we absolutely min-min bet it would cost 2 units over 10 bets which is 20 units.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #581 on: March 19, 2017, 04:39:32 AM »

    168    ÷         
    21               
    8    =         

It of course would be DS+Split if we were just looking at numbers bet; i.e. the bet selection alone.

Its kind of not fair to reverse engineer it without taking into account actual debt levels?

If we absolutely min-min bet it would cost 2 units over 10 bets which is 20 units.

remember he had a "few wins" in these ten games. So it's a little more complicated than that.  I can't get this section, every thing else is done.  He lays out a number of units in the first four bets.

What's wrong with reverse engineering? I've stole some of my best ideas that way 😃

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #582 on: March 19, 2017, 04:56:54 AM »
LOL.  No I mean that without knowing the debt, we can't properly structure bet amounts. 

Ok, so we need to analyze the actual numbers that have come out and achieve some wins along the way.

Clearly, according to his "same as last" philosophy, the first 11 is a hit, as is the last bet of 33.

The third (and fourth?) win will be obtained through the bet selection which will contain a "related number"; e.g. 1 & 5 could be the 1-6 DS.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #583 on: March 19, 2017, 06:42:57 AM »
rouletteman, I'm working on your problem. It's tricky, but I'll do my best with these 10 spins.

Been working on this for a while, with no luck, so I went to DrTalos's original thread. I was under the impression, by the wording of your email, that the 10 numbers you asked help on were played with 168 numbers.

But I just looked at DrTalos's original thread, and he said the full 21 spins were 168 numbers, not the 10 spins you just posted. To wit:

At this point I have ten more spins to get a hit to close the game. Unfortunately didn't happen.

8
24
11
14
1
26
21
8
14
11
9
11
1
5
17
10
16
11
22
33
33

More 168 number played, and few more hits. I am now out of 140 units.

So, this section of 21 numbers is a 21 unit loss, correct? (the 140 he mentions was for the entire game up to that point).

Should I do this entire 21 spin sequence? Maybe we're having a problem because we have to do the entire 21, not the last 10 spins?

Also, if the "emergency recovery" begins after the 10 spin loss (because he did not get his needed win to close the game), then the recovery should start with #9, not #11. So, the last 11 numbers of this sequence are actually the emergency recovery, no? (Maybe this is why your numbers did not line up?)
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #584 on: March 19, 2017, 09:02:26 AM »
Hello guys,

i think we have to be carreful with this sequence, there's a repetition of 10 numbers you have to remove from the initial MrTalos output, and then the 168 numbers played it's not clear what's refering exactly. I don't really believe he was playing 168 numbers in ten spins and didn't obtain any hit.
I have the feeling that maybe MrTalos wrote the ouput with the 10 extra numbers first and did the calulation of numbers played related to what he wrote by just multiplying by number of spins; so there's a possibility the 168 numbers refers to the whole section including the initial mistake OR maybe including the next section as well.
Only MrTalos could clarify this point....

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