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Rinad

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do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« on: April 11, 2017, 06:12:42 PM »


   when we work at a job, we would expect to get paid after the job is done.
when we place a bet we want to get paid after we lose a few spins. mmmm.......

maybe we should relax a little and think; the wheel does not owe us anything. the odds do.

many systems would work much better if we would lose a few cycles before we kick in a progression.
the systems with higher odds like"streets, numbers,splits".

how dare we raise our bets as soon as we lose a single bet.(said in good spirit,)
there is no need to do that. if we play a single street, I can sit on my behind for at least a while until I lose 2 full cycles, (24 spins), before I kick in a progression.

why? because I can get paid without raising my bet, with the back and forth and the high paying odds. so limiting the risk is what it is all about.

I can play any type of bet that way, and it works.
many systems are great. you wait for a trigger ,like 2 hits on your ds, then you attack.  but wait a minute my friend, is not it too early?
first play flat until you lose at least 12 spins on a ds, then you wait to get a hit, AND THEN YOU PLAY YOUR PROGRESSION.
it will do wonders to your system. go back to it and see if it does not make a difference in your play.

you wont have to go to level3/4/5,ect.... FEW EXTRA SPINS CAN SERVE YOU WELL WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THE RAVINE.
the black swan is your worst enemy. it does exist.

THE BEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER PUT IN THE WORLD IS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK HE DOES NOT EXIST!!!    (kaiser suzy)

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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 06:18:40 PM »
great advice, you hit that one right on the nose!! 
 

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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 06:22:52 PM »
Thanks Rinard for starting a great topic.

I will answer to your Title and not to your post.

There are various types of roulette players.
We in this forum are mostly an exception, in the way that we research and study the game.
Many players out there believe they can consistently win with the Martingale.
And there are the others that search for a way to... make millions in a months time - yes they do exist!
So yes, many roulette players have unrealistic expectations.
They do have some point though: "If winning at roulette is hard work for little pay, then I already have a job"
 
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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2017, 07:10:49 PM »


   good point Kav,
that is why I am not a big fan of very complex systems. hard work is not a problem if I enjoy the method of play. but i do think many players, myself included, can be very lazy at time and we want easy money.
but a 2% return is pretty good. if we are not happy with the money we are making at a 2% return, could it be that we are not playing at the proper base bet ?  proper bankroll ?

I have seen countless business investing hundreds of thousands and not expect to make any money until the next five years. (which I think is not realistic either).
if I have that type of money with experience I can have a running business in no time and live okay on my 2% return. 200k  =4000 $.roulette can do that for you.

so how we achieve realistic expectation is to " have a professional attitude" when we approch our game. hard work, smart about, and not expect a paid check at the end of the day always.
casino tables have losing days and weeks sometime.
so maybe we should model what they do. the tools they have; lets see'

enough bankroll.
putting the hours of being open for business.
have dealers changing every 45 minutes so they dont make mistake.
paid themselves in the mean time, employees,ect...

here we are.
enough bankroll.= get a business loan, or saving. (big enough to sustain 3 months of salary)
have a schedule that you stick to. (20 hours a week)  =being open for business.
never play behind your 45/a hour of work. take a brake.(avoiding mistakes)
take the proper amount to paid you at the end of the week from your business money. write you a check even. (but DO NOT OVER PAID YOURSELF). 
that way you are making your money without the stress of losing when you have losing days.

being a pro does not mean you have to quit your job tomorrow. do part time. it is a attitude .

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Rinad
 
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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2017, 08:05:39 PM »
 
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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 10:45:42 AM »


    the system or the method of play for the player is what a product to be sold is to the entrepreneur.

been a business owner myself and having being successful at it for decades, that is not having to work for anybody, I know that having a good product for sale is important, yet it is not everything.
I have seen great chefs, outstanding cooks,bakers opening a store for a period of 3 months to 2 years only to see them fail. sad to see. lot of dreams shattered, money spent they had to live with.
then people, customers go; what happen? I dont anderstand. the food was so good.?

well in the same token I have witness others with a "lesser nicer product" make it and stay in business for years.  what was the difference between the two?
look at mac donald. their product is okay but they are still standing after many,many years.

we may said anything bad about their food,burgers,ect... but they are ORGANIZE AND THEY DELIVER WHAT THEY PROMESS.

the point here is CONSISTENCY.
i CAN GO FROM ONE RECIPE TO ANOTHER ALL MY LIFE, (one system to another), and because of time limitation NEVER MASTER ANYONE.
it is fun and thrilling to see the "never seen system at work making profit in the promess to be maybe that HOLY GRAIL SYSTEM we all dreamed about.
but be carefull friend, 10 years can go by and you can still experiment with new recipe without having a solid business on hand.
not that I have anything about looking at new systems,ventures, because it is what make that roulette thing fun, but there has to be time for fun and time for hard work.
if anyone AT SOME POINT MAKES THE CONCIOUS CHOICE TO PRACTICE HIS FAVOR METHOD OF PLAY, HE OR SHE CANNOT HELP BUT GETTING GOOD AT IT.
the point is that the system is just a recipe, but the real product is the whole roulette thing, the beating the game, seen from a bird eye view, and see that us the players HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE SUCCESS OF IT. we cant never blame our failure from having the wrong system.
we have litteraly HUNDREDS OF THEM ON THIS FORUM, FREE I MAY ADD, TO CHOOSE FROM.
we must pick the best one that matches our persona and get it right.
like a athlete practicing for the olympics, we must be the best we can be when we enter the casino and if we are, more likely we will win. and when we dont, at least there is always another day.
you can sell regular burgers and make really good if you know how to manage your business.
WE ARE THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENT OF OUR LIVES WHO RUN THE SHOW.

the difference i have seen between the two types of entrepreneur is HOW THEY MANAGE THEIR MONEY. the great chefs that failed were wastfull and had too many helpers, a bad lease to begin with, went too fancy, did not calculate their cost properly. and the BIG EGO as well that made them blind to reality.

so there it is, my take on what may be the real problem in our failure sometime. not the method itself but our perception on what IS. hope that helps.

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Rinad
 
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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 11:59:05 AM »
RINAD , I was watching a movie last night, the one that tells the story about Moby Dick, In The Heart Of The Sea.
At the end of the movie when they get back to Nantucket, there was the Scene where the rich Whaling ship owners had requested that the story be changed for the sake of BUSINESS REASONS...... The quote in the movie was......

We are in the oil business, all of us, and as in any business,......
The probability of success, must always be greater than the risk incurred .

This is a simple but true reminder for the system player, if things are not working at the moment with your system, you must back off  for a bit until it starts to return to normal flow!

I like discussing this part of the game.        Best, juice
 
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Re: do we have unrealistic expectations? to systems players
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 12:28:03 PM »


    you are so right Juice. the backing off from the game is sometime all that needs to be done.
when we do too much of one thing we can lose track of the big picture. when the mind cant stay quiet from all the noise we must create space to remove the veil and see clearly what our next move should be. it is a funny thing how the mind works.
we can be so happy we have a angle of the game sometime that we forget what it is like to "go through the desert".  and then floor drops from under our feet once again and we must find a way to crawl ourselves back to the place where we dont doubt our ability to win again.
but if each time we can learn a bit more we get closer to the promise land.
and it is extreme.  we cant seem to lose, then we cant seem to win, so maybe it is time to back off and look at ourselves and the business we chose to be in. in those hard time is when the real learning curve takes place, because we find it easier to humble ourselves and make some new changes in our view of the game itself. the answer is always there. but we must find it by questioning the status quo. what are we doing right? what are we doing wrong?

the answer is......
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