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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by MrPerfect. on Today at 02:30:53 PM »
 McCoy ...
    Do you have a way to show that what you tolk about even exist?
    Just to remind. .. 
 1.    lm the only guy here who actually show on real data how to use past numbers to develop a model for betting( suxsessfull)
 2. I'm the only one here who showed that triggers matter and really make a difference.
     No one before and no one after ..  just me, unfortunately.... l really wish it would be other way, but reality is harsh.
 What all of system players tolk,  l DO. On daily basis.
   So if you, personally, found something , that you ,personally, belive is worth to present on this forum, l sudjest you post it to back up your clames, just posting words or wishful thinking doesn't do the job, sry if it affects you.
    Just for your information....  final numbers itself is not a criteria to find bias wheels. They are found long before any numbers are taken into the account. Numbers are most not important info of all... there are people who do not even bother to take them, and they make money....
  @ Reyth... stats model show what was going on, not what will be. You can't come back in time, can you???
    What allow forcast is physical model. That is adjustable...  stats model is not adjustable... and things are changing. So what you want??? Make money on paper or real life? Past or future? Where your monetary objectives reside?
    It sims that folks do never play..  just post. 

   
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by Reyth on Today at 01:29:07 PM »
I disagree that millions of trials dilutes the statistical picture, instead it enhances it (for me).

I am not trying to make predictions from short-term spin sequences but instead statistically accurate predictions regarding certain statistical criteria in relation to certain statistical events.  Those events will be isolated within the whole sequence and the more of them I have, the more accurate my data will be.

Regardless, GIGO still applies, as stated in the book.
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by McCoy on Today at 01:10:20 PM »
Mr Perfect still no answer to why it's possible to find a biased wheel using only past numbers if they have no connection to future outcomes? That's common logic too you know.   ;)

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Does it help to earn money??? Not really.

What you mean is *you* haven't found a way to do it.

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What l say can be backed up by data stadies on real cases out there.

I'm not disputing the fact that AP works, only that it's the *only* way. You can't back up the view that there is no way to make use of past numbers, only that you haven't been able to do it successfully, that's a big difference.

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For me ,personally,  do not really matter if you agree with me or not, if you are serious about this game in particular, you will arrive to same conclusions sooner or later. Every body does...

Same here. I don't mind whether you agree with me or not. "Everybody does"? Yes maybe everybody who hasn't found a way to use past numbers effectively, and those who claim they have *must* be mistaken or lying.  ::)
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by MrPerfect. on Today at 12:47:32 PM »
McCoy...  let people to their fallacies is fine by me..  BUT... THERE IS A REASON I CAN'T AGREE even to desagre. Sry for that.
   Reason is simple: practicability and common logic.
    Past numbers show what was there, it can help identify bias..  that's OK. 
   Does it help to earn money??? Not really.
         Future results do not depend on past result. Stating otherwise is simply a fallacy.
Numbers are results of spins . Not vice- versa. 
    One thing if you do exploratory analysis to determine if something going on... then numbers can help. But if you are going to " predict "( forcast)... it's all another story.
    Roulette results do display very strong ( undeniable ) cause- effect relationship.  It doesn't mean that past numbers do predict future ones, but past spins can place a fondation to predict future results.
    Numbers do not depend on other numbers, it's a system with many degrees of freedom. Freedom of system is large enough to water down any posible relationships between numbers on long run. Not so large to make spin data random.... that's facts.
     I just speak what l see... and l sou enough to start generalising. What l say can be backed up by data stadies on real cases out there.
    For me ,personally,  do not really matter if you agree with me or not, if you are serious about this game in particular, you will arrive to same conclusions sooner or later. Every body does...
    AP is result of nessesity, when people fed up of loosing , that's a way to go.
    Good vb player is rarity... probably both of your palms have enough fingers to count all of us worldwide. Population is 7 billion!!!!   Do not take it lightly... it takes a bit more then people think in general ... 
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by McCoy on Today at 11:52:32 AM »
Guys, really... 
    If you stop to confuse spins with past numbers, half of your problems will be resolved by itself. Numbers are result of spins, not vice- versa!!!
    Spins we can measure ( direction, velocities, distances, timings, ball behaviours. ..ets)... but what is there to measure or model on past numbers? ??? ?
 

Mr Perfect you didn't reply to my comment that there must be a connection between past numbers and spin characteristics otherwise it wouldn't be possible to identify bias merely from past numbers. The relationship is undeniable. My contention is that this connection can be explored further by a deeper statistical analysis of past spins. The received dogma that past numbers cannot be any guide to future numbers makes no sense. Even in an RNG where there are no physical parameters the outcomes are predicable up to a point when you look at the long term statistics. If this were not so the casinos would not be able to set their odds. My project is about trying to find out whether it's possible to extract more data from past spins in the short term which will enable the same kind of prediction which is possible in the long term. There are various ways of going about this and machine learning algorithms can help. I know you have an agenda here with your VB course and trying to recruit people to your team and that's fine by me, but let's agree to disagree eh? Just leave those who want to explore other ways to their 'fallacies'.  :)
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 Buy and forget...  people who made most money out of it did just that. They bought and forgot.
   Strategy for these who missed on hype.. 
 Invest 100 every month for next 5 years. HOLD.
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by McCoy on Today at 11:33:19 AM »
Please can anyone explain physical parameters and physical model in relation with a random number event. My dixtionary give me  no answer.

As I understand it a physical model is created only from physical parameters relating to the spin, such as direction, distances, timings etc. The AP view is that *only* these parameters or observations can have a bearing on the outcome of the next spin. I disagree.  :)
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by MrPerfect. on Today at 10:42:48 AM »
 Guys, really... 
    If you stop to confuse spins with past numbers, half of your problems will be resolved by itself. Numbers are result of spins, not vice- versa!!! Spins are spins, numbers are numbers, no need to mix beefsteak and fly, these has nothing to do with each other.
   Spins are procceses..  things are spinning  ( ball/ wheel), ball is jumping... things going on.
  Numbers are just numbers,  when ball is in the number , nothing is going on.
    With spins we can judge likehood of resulting numbers, create a model, forcast, make rergessinons, test variables, create hypothesis. ... ets.
   What can we do with numbers? We can count them , yes. But can we predict ( forcast) ? What should we base our forcast upon, how reliable it is?
    It doesn't make any difference in roulette , what numbers was results on previous trials, there is absolutely no reason to belive that numbers that fall before, will continue to fall because of past results.
    Spins we can measure ( direction, velocities, distances, timings, ball behaviours. ..ets)... but what is there to measure or model on past numbers?????
   
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Questions and Answers / Re: Blind betting?
« Last post by dobbelsteen on Today at 10:23:09 AM »
In my B&M casino I know some peaple,  who plays 37 numbers. This is also a kind of blind betting. They are afraid of a losing spin. Every spin is a hit.
When you play only for pleasure and roulette is your hobby, small losses are not a problem. The tobacco companies are the large money makers. Smokers spend likely more money than the roulette players.
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Are Some Bets Worse Than Others?
« Last post by dobbelsteen on Today at 09:59:34 AM »
Please can anyone explain physical parameters and physical model in relation with a random number event. My dixtionary give me  no answer.
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