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Bebediktus

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2016, 08:36:19 PM »
IF the dealer can control where the ball is going to go within a few numbers
I will repeat one more time - he cant.
If you cant understand mine arguments very pitty, but you not have possibility to think logical.
Say dealer can that do. You know how big is dealer wage ? Say 2000$.
If he can throw to few numbers - he can find parthner - partner can win 4000$ in few hours and gave half to dealer.
You understand about what i talk, or also - not ?
 

scepticus

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2016, 08:43:54 PM »
I think that this is a question of opinion rather than fact.
I don't think that any dealer can do this consistently in actual casino conditions. They may be able in contrived conditions with a s-l-o-w wheel but we here are talking about  B and M casinos.
While our AP members talk about the Physics of the Wheel and the Maths of Roulette I think it surprising that they cannot tell us of any Physicist or Mathematician who agrees with them here .
Ed. Thorp and The Wizard  of Odds certainty don't . 
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2016, 09:32:44 PM »
I am of the firm belief that the dealer cannot control the ball.  I am merely throwing that question out there as a hypothetical. My personal belief is that he cannot control the ball. It is impossible. I agree with what you are saying too Bebe about the dealer having a friend playing with him. I actually referenced that in an earlier post on this subject in this thread.  I just like to hear both sides of view. Makes for interesting discussion.
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2016, 02:01:27 AM »
 Guys... all opinions are good.
 If you wanna spot high profile sector shooter, look for following :
 1. Ball is thrown from same hour position in relation to your observation point.
 2. Ball makes similar ammount of revolutions. 
 3. Ball has light back spin.
 4. Dealer controls rotor speed directly.
 A bit populated on last point....
 How it looks like. Dealer has rotor spinning and starts to bamp it lightly with his finger ( or fingers) ... repetitive light togches to put rotor speed to desired value.
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2016, 02:54:07 AM »
If he could, the roulette would have an other way of through the ball. The dealer has chance to make the game unfavourable for the casino, and they do all they can to make it NOT possible. Security is as much target on staff as players. 
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2016, 01:45:54 PM »
If he could, the roulette would have an other way of through the ball. The dealer has chance to make the game unfavourable for the casino, and they do all they can to make it NOT possible. Security is as much target on staff as players.
Then there should be a reason for that,don't you think so? Why would they profile dealers,  if game is unbeatable, result is unpredictable and can not be manipulated???
 Dealers hate repeaters,they have to listen a lot from their managers after 3 times number repeat.
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2016, 12:25:24 AM »
I don't know why some people  believe the nonsense of Dealer's Signature - and the nonsense that we should tip them for bringing up our numbers.As has been said here , they are under the scrutiny of the casino - even if they could  influence the winning  number which is highly unlikely .
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2016, 02:13:58 AM »
I don't know why some people  believe the nonsense of Dealer's Signature - and the nonsense that we should tip them for bringing up our numbers.As has been said here , they are under the scrutiny of the casino - even if they could  influence the winning  number which is highly unlikely .
it's very difficult to the dealer to not have a signature.  Anyone can make a test. Throw the ball 300 times same direction and film it. Last 100 will definitely show some consistency, both in timings and revolution count.  If someone follows dealer for some time, he knows that even best dealers relax or get destructed.
    When l used to play imercive roulette, l had a script of same conversation with little variations . It was a copy / paste thing , sentence by sentence.  Dealers come to same emotional state as before and become very predictable.  I sou others there doing it as well.... sometimes l wanted to calm dealer down, and some other guy was freaking her out with convercations about snakes and stuff.... that was funny, in this cases it used to become a battle between 2 manipulators.
  I'm typing this and laughing remembering about it. You can see many interesting people behind casino players nicks.  Sometimes you even recognise them behind other nicks on same or other online casino....
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2017, 12:19:50 AM »
Hi Everyone, many years i read this forum and finally decided to write something.
Well, myself i'm player of roulette around 5 years, started with red/black and other complicated systems, until couple years ago, finally learn all roulette wheel numbers possitions in my head and started to play by dealer signature only.
I had hard loses and great wins, but what is most intersting me, as i always write down my results in the excel table, that i have less and less loses and my life minus soon will turn into plus.
I hardly believe into dealer signature and i would like to share my last results from saturday play. I bring 90 chips at the table and won additional 400 in 45 min. Just because in front of me was two dealers, one played just 15 min and another half an hour.
I just count a holes CW and CCW like written below and place bets by covering at least 5 number in both way from my guessed number:

Dealer D

CCW 21
CW 25
CCW 17
CW 19
CCW 14
CW 23
CCW 19
CW 26
CCW 30
CW 5

and dealer change to Dealer L

CW 35
CCW 14
CW 33
CCW 12
CW 35
CCW 30
CW 13
NO SPIN she lost the ball
CCW 19
CW 33
CCW 6
CW 16
CCW 11
CW 30
CCW 19
CW 30
CCW 34
CW 2
CCW 30
Dealer change and i left table because reached my happy point of 400 chips/units.

Dealer D normally spins the same speed both ways so by covering 11 number i hit her almost all spins.
Dealer L normally spins one way repeating number (or same sector) and another way she spins avarage 14-19 holes from the previous number. (and i catch her with big hit mostly by placing my jackpot on 12-16 hole from her last number)

So my advice for non believers to go to land base casino (not internet casino) check the spin speed and dealers ball releasing point and count holes. You will find your dealer and you will hit them hard if you will take a risk.

And to answer the question can spinner control the ball. When you leave table, place 5 chips on the numbers next to each other at roulette table and tell the dealer, hit this numbers and all money is yours. Normally they never hit, but if i'm kind and thankfull for the game, i place this chips where i definetelly know that the ball should land and i say, this chip will hit you! all is yours.

Sorry for my english.
Good luck to everyone!
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2017, 12:52:50 AM »
Your last paragraph  contradicts the rest of your post Maximus.

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And to answer the question can spinner control the ball. When you leave table, place 5 chips on the numbers next to each other at roulette table and tell the dealer, hit this numbers and all money is yours. Normally they never hit, but if i'm kind and thankfull for the game, i place this chips where i definetelly know that the ball should land and i say, this chip will hit you! all is yours.
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Another Bullsh*tter ! 
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2017, 08:50:28 AM »
Your last paragraph  contradicts the rest of your post Maximus.

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And to answer the question can spinner control the ball. When you leave table, place 5 chips on the numbers next to each other at roulette table and tell the dealer, hit this numbers and all money is yours. Normally they never hit, but if i'm kind and thankfull for the game, i place this chips where i definetelly know that the ball should land and i say, this chip will hit you! all is yours.
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Another Bullsh*tter !

I just want to say that dealer doesnt know that he has signature! Reason why he choose wrong numbers to get the tip. If i choose numbers, i hit. If he choose, it shows that he doesnt know or even feel where the ball will lands. Im writing from my experience just to share it and help others and not telling tales from my head.
 
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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2017, 03:07:57 PM »
Can you do it with a live casino online?
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2017, 03:13:28 PM »
Can you do it with a live casino online?

Can't because they release ball not from the last number. Also they close bets before spin.
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2017, 03:14:22 PM »
Oh, its not pure dealer signature, its also VB. :'(

Well, now that I think about it, its quite a powerful system if it can work reliably.
 

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Re: Can the Spinner control the Ball?
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2017, 03:17:42 PM »
I tried online. Always lose.
Even land base casino i always place my bets only after release the ball. I watch dealer hand from which numer he/she release the ball. Then must to know where to place the bets. Add some holes or stay with your choosen one.