Author Topic: Dealer's signature  (Read 11594 times)

Shakuni

  • New
  • **
  • Posts: 8
  • Thanked: 1 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2015, 02:37:11 AM »
I personnally think it got something to do with muscle memory and like GNO said boredom as well. Dealers are bored as they can have long shifts and after a while they stop paying attention to what they are doing and get into a habbit of just doing the same spin without varying the speed of the ball which they are specificlly told to do. I am not sure about if they can spin a section on purpose but some dealers after spinning for many years know exactly how many revolutions a ball gonna take around the wheel. I have noticed that because some dealers actually look at the ball slowing down in the wheel  before calling no more bets but some old timers know in there minds eye that the ball is about to drop and its time to call no more bets......
 

Real

  • Fighting the war on absurdity one foolish idea at a time.
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1269
  • Thanked: 148 times
  • Gender: Female
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2015, 04:19:37 AM »
Quote
Real It could simply be that the number was  " hot " as dealer after dealer found .The manager got spooked by this so changed the dealers frequently . I think that Dealer's Signature  is simply random / variance in action which is why it comes and goes .Conspiracy theorists won't agree , of course.-Scepticus

Scepticus,

Actually the physics are there.  There are even demos of it where you can watch it online. 
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 04:24:08 AM by Real »
 

scepticus

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1926
  • Thanked: 386 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2015, 01:50:00 PM »
real
repeating your  mantra "physics " does not make any conclusions a certainty.
You are a fellow human being that knows little about roulette other than wheel manufacture.
I have decided to take  Harryj 's advice and stop responding to your posts , they continually  reveal  the rantings of an  immature mind .
And I don't care if you think   that I am passing up the chance to be " educated " !

[MOD NOTE: Please watch personal pejoratives in discussion.]
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 01:54:26 PM by Reyth »
 

Reyth

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3342
  • Thanked: 997 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2015, 11:08:38 AM »
Dealer's Signature.

It is obviously a phenomenon that exists and proven by youtube videos and casinos removing dealers during extreme events.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 11:20:57 AM by Reyth »
 

Jesper

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1141
  • Thanked: 549 times
  • Gender: Male
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2015, 05:14:55 PM »
Some of you own a roulette Wheel. Make something shooting at the same Power all the time.
I Think it will be hard to find the signature. Very much other factors.

Somebody may allready done such experiment?
 

scepticus

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1926
  • Thanked: 386 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:40 PM »
Dealer's Signature.

It is obviously a phenomenon that exists and proven by youtube videos and casinos removing dealers during extreme events.

I don't think that it is at all obvious, Reyth. It is an interpretation of something that HAS happened and that is all. .I think it  is a variable that comes and goes , just like many others. Why is it that those who believe in the efficacy of Dealers' Signature  use it as an excuse for their losing bets .Some even wait until the ball has been spun so that  " that bloody dealer " cannot spin the ball away from their numbers.
 If a Dealer really could do it he could earn much more than his wage , couldn't he ?
Your " interpretation " is different from  mine but I think mine has more support from mathematicians than yours.
 

Reyth

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3342
  • Thanked: 997 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2015, 06:45:05 PM »
I dunno.  Videos like this impress me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RldNUWT2pyY

Maybe that's not dealer signature but there is definitely something to what he is doing there...
« Last Edit: April 09, 2017, 06:57:34 PM by kav »
 

Shakuni

  • New
  • **
  • Posts: 8
  • Thanked: 1 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2015, 02:39:20 AM »

There are  lot of videos like this on the youtube. At the end of such videos there is always a link where they are trying to sell you some system which will help you win lot of money on roulette. In this case he is selling a system for 160 pound. Some one who have such a knowledge of the game by which he can predict the exact number like in  this video, would never make a video to show it off to the world let alone selling it to the world for 160 pound. I mean what is 100 pounds for him. In UK casinos u can bet upto 5000 pound on a straight up and 175k in one go. so doesnt make sense.
Now how is he doing that?  could be a rigged wheel or the ball and the dice he is using could be magnitised, i dont know for sure. But i know for sure if he could do what he is doing on the video in real life, he wouldnt be selling 100 bucks system on the internet
« Last Edit: April 09, 2017, 06:56:49 PM by kav »
 

BlueAngel

  • I always express my opinion
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1539
  • Thanked: 214 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Do you want truth? You cannot handle the truth!
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2015, 03:24:48 AM »
What you are saying is just common sense,a video could be edited in many ways...professionals on video modification can do it seem like raw (unedited),not to seem "choppy" like amateur film after the montage.
 

BlueAngel

  • I always express my opinion
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1539
  • Thanked: 214 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Do you want truth? You cannot handle the truth!
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2015, 04:19:28 AM »
This Jafko is selling roulette computers like Steve Hourmouzis.
His latest model "Pred 7" is being sold for approximately 5000 pounds.
So say you invest 5k to buy it and when you go at the casino you don't have the time to bet before the "no more bets" announcement,or even worse,they caught you cheating with the device being the evidence.
Croupiers have been instructed to indentify someone who always place bets late after the release of the ball and in such cases they would announce no more bets faster,they could even make a rule which no one is allowed to bet after the release of the ball.
As a matter of fact such rule exist in Swedish casinos.
About visual ballistic players who are writing a list with every possible combination of 3 numbers,have you ever wonder how many combination could be?? 37x37x37=50653 total combinations.
They select a wheel's diamond (deflector) and write down the number (first) which is below the ball when passes above it, they write down the number (second) when a certain number of the rotor passes the same spot (deflector), when the ball returns back to the same spot they are writing again the number (third) which is below the ball,this concludes the timing.
In order to gather 50653 needs a lot of time,that's why the spent so much time by the wheels,and this is only for 1 wheel model!!
Just imagine 50653 combinations multiplied by the amount of different wheels' models!!
So much time consuming when the casinos the only thing have to do is say no more bets fast enough!
This visual ballistic method is no cheating,but roulette devices are,but VB is not practical.
Not to mention that every 3 number combination which someone is recording is not always different,that's why one would need much more than 50653 spins in order to gather every combination of a single wheel.
But wait a minute,does it make sense that when a certain combination of three numbers produced a specific result,when the combination repeats then the result would be the same? Does it make sense?
Perhaps it could or not be the same result.
If you have doubts about these kind of issues,better live without such time consuming and security alarming activity.
There more practical ways to exploit the game,the rules are fair for everyone,the payouts could be slightly better but this doesn't mean that the game is unfair.
You may consider it as taxation on profits,not big deal if you can win.
 

GameNeverOver

  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 208
  • Thanked: 12 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2015, 08:18:34 PM »
he wouldnt be selling 100 bucks system on the internet

He wouldn't sell it not for 100 but for 100 million bucks Shakuni. :) If he had this system/approach/ability/or-what's-so-ever to correctly predict the number he can easily make 160 pounds per 5 minutes visit on the casino.

Another scammer on the list..
 

GameNeverOver

  • Mature Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 208
  • Thanked: 12 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »
@BlueAngel
Your logic is flawless.
It turns out that APes can't play without using computers. But guess what: using computers or other electrical devices in THE CASINOS is considered cheating (it is) and is strictly forbidden and the guys caught using one are usually banned for life.

So, everything leads us to the same conclusion and that is..
« Last Edit: April 09, 2017, 06:58:09 PM by kav »
 

BlueAngel

  • I always express my opinion
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1539
  • Thanked: 214 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Do you want truth? You cannot handle the truth!
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2015, 02:03:35 PM »
But it is reasonable when the roulette device sellers are claiming that it's not illegal to use it because it doesn't affect the outcome.
What do you think?
But what really matters is not what I or you might think,but how the casinos are considering those devices.
If the legal or not depends from the manipulation (or not) of the outcomes,then someone who can roll the dice the way he/she wants (most of the times) he/she is a cheater and someone who is using a roulette computer he/she is not cheater because he/she is not influencing the results.
THIS IS QUITE A PARADOX,that's why there are minor and major "holes" inside the law.
 

Reyth

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3342
  • Thanked: 997 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2015, 02:07:17 PM »
Well I guess it comes down to how a judge determines the potential penalty for a player breaking the terms & conditions of the casino.

Since judges have considered that cheating within a casino is a punishable offense and it is simple common sense that using a machine to gain an advantage over players that do not use a machine, is cheating, that using these machines should be a punishable offense.

someone who can roll the dice the way he/she wants (most of the times) he/she is a cheater

Have there been ANY cases where it has been proven that anyone is guilty (or even CAN be guilty) of this?

Unless the person is using counterfeit dice, I don't see how this could be considered cheating.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 02:15:30 PM by Reyth »
 

scepticus

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1926
  • Thanked: 386 times
Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2015, 02:23:49 PM »
It has already been established in a UK Court of Law that using " an electronic device " IS legal.
Casinos can ban you for any reason - it doesn't need to be legal.
Many years ago it was ruled , in the USA ,  that Blackjack Card Counting  WAS legal. But  casinos can still ban you.
They are not in the business of giving money away !
« Last Edit: April 09, 2017, 06:58:22 PM by kav »