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Dealer's signature
« on: June 17, 2015, 09:27:59 AM »
Palestis

Great posts and ideas really appreciate it. Looking at the game from other side of the table, i have noticed that the dealer/croupier get stuck in the same section of the wheel sometimes like keep spinning zero section or keep spinning neighbours of zero  or orphans etc. Have you or anyone else come across such situation or have realised this. And how can you take advantage of this before they change there spin or they change the dealer....


 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 09:55:51 AM »

I notice this every time I'm going at the casino,it happens more or less with every dealer,if the dealer wants it or not I cannot tell for sure.
If you see this then bet the same sector immediately for 2 times maximum.
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 11:49:48 AM »
Palestis

Great posts and ideas really appreciate it. Looking at the game from other side of the table, i have noticed that the dealer/croupier get stuck in the same section of the wheel sometimes like keep spinning zero section or keep spinning neighbours of zero  or orphans etc. Have you or anyone else come across such situation or have realised this. And how can you take advantage of this before they change there spin or they change the dealer....

This is classic case of the famous "dealer's signature". It happens due human factors (dealers are human too and can get ill or be nervous or get bored). Dealer's signature probably occurs due to boredom: dealer wants to be somewhere else instead turning a wheel and dropping and picking balls so s/he starts to spin the wheel on automation: takes the ball, (unconsciously) waits for a number to come near his arm holding the ball and when the number is there he let the ball spin, always with the same force. That's why sometimes there are showings like these: 3,35,32,0,3,32,26,15. If you take a look, you'll notice that all these numbers are placed in the same sector.

This is not something that is happening all the time and mostly the reason for this kind of behavior is due boredom..and boredom comes and goes so you can't base your playing on it.
but this conclusion rises another important question: if the dealer can do it because he is bored, who can stop him doing it if he is motivated to do it?
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 12:56:46 PM »
Palestis

Great posts and ideas really appreciate it. Looking at the game from other side of the table, i have noticed that the dealer/croupier get stuck in the same section of the wheel sometimes like keep spinning zero section or keep spinning neighbours of zero  or orphans etc. Have you or anyone else come across such situation or have realised this. And how can you take advantage of this before they change there spin or they change the dealer....
Yes it happens all the time. And they call it dealer's signature.
The problem is that by the time you notice it, it can be too late. What can also happen is for a dealer to have a spinning consistency in CW (clock-wise) spinning, but not in CCW. Or the other way around. The only way to take advantage of it, is to bet the sector the dealer is stuck on.
But since usually the dealer signature doesn't last long enough to take advantage of it, heavy betting and very few bets is recommended.
In European casinos, the dealer stops the wheel momentarily and spins it in the other direction. You can't change direction without stopping the wheel first. Then they spin the ball supposedly from above the last number spun. At least in the casinos I was playing at. If they don't start spinning form the last number spun, I have seen players getting mad and objecting.
But just because a dealer develops a signature in one table, it doesn't mean he will do the same in another table at another time.
Dealer signature doesn't always involve the same sector. It can alternate between opposite sectors.
Like zero neighbors and 10 neighbors.
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 05:14:00 PM »
My option is dealers signature is a brain spoke!  DEALER not an imperect (hardly exist) Wheel.
The ball just fall, when   gravity overcome the centrifugal forces. Allways the same speed for each ball.

This is Newtonian, modern physics make the ball oval in speedy motion, that may not influence
enough to take in account, unless the ball is Close to light speed.

The dealer make just the first step, where at the Wheel, and force at the ball at start, then it is an enormous amount of other factors,
 
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 05:48:49 PM »
I regard Dealer's Signature as BS.
Posts about this   all   have " assumptions " . Dealers are not highly paid  and if they could really  do that they could earn a month's pay  at least once a week by simply having  a friend bet  a particular area of the wheel whenever he gives an agreed signal.  They get bored  ? Of course they do , they're human .
I once WITNESSED a guy , betting £5 chips ,  winning  at least £3,000 when one of his numbers -31 -kept on winning and that was only when I was watching. I had been drawn to that table because a crowd of  about twenty had gathered there. The MANAGER had joined the pit boss / inspector and  he  kept changing the dealers  when they had spun only about ten spins ! The run ended and the guy played for only about 15 minutes after that having lost some of his winnings. A  lucky streak ? You bet  - but Dealer's Signature ? Nope !
I also WITNESSED a table where 2 had followed 1 . Several of us joked that number 3 would follow. It did ! As did 4 , 5, and 6  ! But not seven . None of us bet any of those 4 winners . Well, it couldn't happen , could it ?
Sh*t  happens  !  Get used to it .
 
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 06:23:35 PM »
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I once WITNESSED a guy , betting £5 chips ,  winning  at least £3,000 when one of his numbers -31 -kept on winning and that was only when I was watching. I had been drawn to that table because a crowd of  about twenty had gathered there. The MANAGER had joined the pit boss / inspector and  he  kept changing the dealers  when they had spun only about ten spins !-Scepticus

 Scepticus,

Why do you suppose that they kept changing the dealer?  Hmmmm.
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 08:36:24 PM »
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So ALL dealers have the SAME signature ?At the SAME time ? At the SAME table ?
Get real Real  !
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 11:12:53 PM »
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Dealer signature doesn't always involve the same sector. It can alternate between opposite sectors.
Like zero neighbors and 10 neighbors. Palestis

You are very right Jim,I remember once at Loutraki (1 of the 2 major Athenian casinos) were a female croupier spun almost every time about 5 to 7 pockets from the last spun number in CW direction,it was so persistent that I and a couple of other players on the table make good money till they have replaced her with another dealer and he was not so predictable.

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Why do you suppose that they kept changing the dealer?  Hmmmm. Real

This is a very good question! If the casinos didn't have an important reason to do so,then they wouldn't do so.
I'm not saying that dealers do this in purpose,but it happens with purpose or not,that's what it matters!
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 11:31:20 PM »
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So ALL dealers have the SAME signature ?At the SAME time ? At the SAME table ? -Scepticus

Scepticus,

What on earth are you talking about?  How could all dealers possibly have the same signature?
No Scepticus, that would be very unlikely.  It doesn't work like that.

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This is a very good question! If the casinos didn't have an important reason to do so,then they wouldn't do so.
I'm not saying that dealers do this in purpose,but it happens with purpose or not,that's what it matters!

The reason they were changing dealer was to change up the playing conditions as much as possible.  It's possible that the wheel was biased, or the numbers were simply just hot. 
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2015, 11:50:10 PM »
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It could simply be that the number was  " hot " as dealer after dealer found .The manager got spooked by this so changed the dealers frequently . I think that Dealer's Signature  is simply random / variance in action which is why it comes and goes .Conspiracy theorists won't agree , of course.
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2015, 01:32:09 AM »
It is human nature to try to explain strange and unusual phenomena.
In roulette when the results are clustered around a certain sector, longer than their statistical claim,
we call it "dealers signature". When in fact it could just be a simple coincidence.  The are many coincidences in roulette just as they are in real life.
In roulette that signature can be short lived or longer lived. If I was to take advantage of that dealer signature, all I have to do is bet that it will continue for one more time in the next 3 spins.
That's about it. It's no different than seeing  lots of blacks spinning out and betting that one more black will show up in the next 3 spins.
 
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2015, 01:36:41 AM »
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Dealer signature doesn't always involve the same sector. It can alternate between opposite sectors.
Like zero neighbors and 10 neighbors. Palestis

You are very right Jim,I remember once at Loutraki (1 of the 2 major Athenian casinos) were a female croupier spun almost every time about 5 to 7 pockets from the last spun number in CW direction,it was so persistent that I and a couple of other players on the table make good money till they have replaced her with another dealer and he was not so predictable.

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Why do you suppose that they kept changing the dealer?  Hmmmm. Real

This is a very good question! If the casinos didn't have an important reason to do so,then they wouldn't do so.
I'm not saying that dealers do this in purpose,but it happens with purpose or not,that's what it matters!
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2015, 01:41:31 AM »
Not so BA
What matters is whether or not you can make use of it.
If it were really true all we need do is wait until we see it appear then start betting.That may be sometime but I think it would be less than real's 12 / 16 hour wait for his trigger.
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2015, 02:08:47 AM »
Not so BA
What matters is whether or not you can make use of it.
If it were really true all we need do is wait until we see it appear then start betting.That may be sometime but I think it would be less than real's 12 / 16 hour wait for his trigger.

Regarding my experience it doesn't take time at all,the same time I'm arriving at the table,almost immediately I identify such pattern.
Like Palestis said previously,such pattern is not only to hit the same sector for a few times before moves on,a pattern could be also to have a steady movement around the wheel.
For example:last number 23,next number 1,next number 18,next number 3,next number 2...and so on.
How you can exploit such patterns is quite simple,I wouldn't bet with progression but only flat stakes up to a certain limit.
My personal limit is minus 36 units whenever it happens I'm stopping the particular bet and change to another or finish my session.
It happens but till it happens I'm winning more than 36 units.
If for example I bet for a immediate repetition of the same sector and lose the first bet,I bet the new sector,NOT the previous,I just move on to the fresh because not in every sector there are 2 or more consecutive appearances.
One very important thing to consider if you inclined in this betting method is the space/time range.
Time and space are the direct opposite,the larger the sector you are betting (more numbers) the fewer will be the time (bets/spins)
There are many ways like: 6 numbers for 6 times, 5 numbers for 7 times, 7 numbers for 5 times...and so on.
Personally I prefer the balance between time and space and this is being represented better by the 6 numbers within 6 spins.