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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2015, 05:36:13 PM »
You are better at abuse than you are at roulette.You have the closed mind of a  fundamentalist . You cannot name ONE physicist who agrees with your method - without the aid of a computer . You are full of bluff and bluster and I am not playing your preferred game of trading insults.So bye - bye Real/Houston /Snowman - whatever.

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2015, 05:40:07 PM »
Scepticus,

Do you believe that someone needs a computer to play a biased wheel? Do you know why someone would want to know wheel speed?  Do you know what you're even talking about?

You should stick to your thread, rather than moving off course into subjects that you don't comprehend.
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2015, 07:54:37 AM »

e.g. if the first two numbers were in the second dozen we find 2-2 in column 5  of the block. The third number in that column is 1   ( the first dozen)so we DO  NOT bet it but put 1 point on each of the    other 2  dozens - in this  case Dozens  2 and 3. If either of these  wins we put the  3 chips  we now have  on the dozen  below the 3rd  winner.

scepticus, I'm ok with the first bit, but I don't know what you're referring to when you say "below the 3rd winner".

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e.g. In this scenario  if the winning number is in the third dozen then we put the 3  chips on  the Dozen  below 3 which is 1  - if the winning number is in the second  dozen then we put our  3 chips on the  number below 2 which is 3 ( though you  have the option here to choose your own dozen.)

Again, please could you point out exactly where "below" is in your tables.

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2015, 12:50:32 PM »

You walk into a casino. You approach a roulette table. You note that the last two winning numbers were , say, in the first dozen.
You are using, say, block 1.
You are using, say, group 2 which is 1-2- ? - 4.
You look at it and see that the first 2 numbers are 1 and 1.Below that are the numbers are 2 and 2.
You then put 1 chip on both dozen 1 and dozen 3.
If dozen 2 wins you lose your bet and restart.
If dozen1 wins you bet your return of 3 chips on dozen 2 because it is the fourth number after  1 and 1 .
If dozen 3 wins then you still put your return of 3 chips on dozen
2.
What you guys still do not get is that I am  using elementary maths here.So calm down -  get rid of your prejudices  - and THINK.
I look forward to your programmeing it as I really would like to know when I am about to meet my doom !
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2015, 01:59:53 PM »
Hi , slacker. Any progress in programmeing  my Double Dozen strategy ?
I'm off to sunny Tenerife on Tuesday for a two week holiday.
any chance before then ?
thanks

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 01:02:11 PM »
scepticus,

I still don't fully understand your system. I think I know what a block is, but what is a "group"?

And what does this mean: 1-2- ? - 4.

What does the ? stand for?

Is anyone else getting it? or is it just me having a blonde moment?

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2015, 07:30:38 PM »

Sorry for the delay in answering,Slacker, but I have been away on a sunshine holiday- again.
I am continually surprised that people do not understand the block. I have no background in maths  yet found it easy to understand.
There are 9 columns , each containing 4 numbers.Any block guarantees 3 wins in one of the 9 rows no matter the  result. If three are guaranteed in a row then we have to consider ANY THREE FROM  FOUR.
My GROUPS are simply the four consequent groups of 3 from 4.
These are , as anyone can see - ( 1 2 3 ) ( 1 2 4 )  ( 1 3 4 ) and 234.
Applied to roulette it would be foolish to bet the first two so we use these as indicators / triggers  of what to bet on the third and fourth spin .
I suggested that if  we chose to  bet  the 1-2-4 then  until  we know what the 1 and 2 are we do not know what the 3rd will be hence my 1 2 ? 4. It merely means that whatever the 3rd turns out to be determines what to bet on the 4th spin. Choosing to bet  1-2-4 means that we do not bet the 3rd of the 1 and 2 but put one point on each of  the other two .No matter which one wins we put the resultant 3points on the 4th of the line beginning with the correct 1 and 2.
It is only elementary maths.Think of the results 4 football matches. Home Win -Away - Draw as the 3 in question  and you might grasp the idea.
As with any new idea we need to put a little bit of thought into it . Hopefully this helps.
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2015, 04:07:15 AM »
I think Dobbelsteen is right , Slacker. Some methods are too difficult to programme.Incidentally, The Wizard of Vegas agrees with Dobbel.

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2015, 04:20:26 PM »
Ok Scepticus,

You want us to prove why your system doesn't work.  So, let's get down to it.  I'll give you my ten cents, and then you can choose whether or not to believe me.

First off:

1. How many numbers are bet on spin one.
2. How many numbers are bet on spin two.
3. How many numbers are bet on spin three.
4. How many numbers are bet on spin four.
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2015, 03:57:05 PM »
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I can answer that for Scep.
Spin [1]  No bet . it’s virtual.
Spin [2]  No bet.  again virtual
Spin [3]  Bet the 2 dozens 1 unit each. If this bet wins their position on the block you have chosen indicates which single dozen will be bet in the 4th spin
Spin [4]  Bet the 3 units you pick up after a win on spin 3. If this bet wins you will pick up 9 units for an investment of 2. -Harry

Thanks Harry.

Scepticus wanted us to prove mathematically why his nine block wouldn’t work.  So, I figured that I would once again explain why.
[1]  Nil = No value.  Just time wasted.
[2]  Nil = No value. Just time wasted
[3]  24 numbers (2 dozens ) = Probability of winning 24/37 for a payoff of that’s short by 2.7%  (If the probability of winning was 24/36 then you could at least break even…  but it’s not, so over time he can’t.)
[4]  12 numbers ( 1 dozen ) = Probability of winning is 12/37 for a payoff that’s short by 2.7%.  (If the probability of winning was 12/36 then he could at least break even…but it’s not, so over time he can’t.

Scepticus,

You've repeatedly asked us to prove why your system doesn't work, so here you are.

-Real

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2015, 04:02:38 PM »
spins 1 and 2 are not bet. They need to be virtual bets.
Bet 3 depends on what strategy you use.
When using a Doubling of the Dozens ( parlaying 2 winning spins ) you bet the indicated 3rd to LOSE so bet the other 2 dozens.If 1 of them wins you put the resultant 3 chips on your chosen dozen ( from the 3 groups that give a return of 7 / 2 . ) on the 4th spin.
and that , I think, is it.
When using a " sleeper " strategy you simply bet the indicated 3rd and 4th as a double ( parlay )
You need , however , to VIEW the Block to understand the above but I don't see why THAT should be MY problem.

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2015, 04:08:39 PM »
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spins 1 and 2 are not bet. They need to be virtual bets.-Scepticus
So? They're just a waste of time.
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Bet 3 depends on what strategy you use.-Scepticus
If you're betting the same number of numbers, it doesn't matter.
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When using a Doubling of the Dozens ( parlaying 2 winning spins ) you bet the indicated 3rd to LOSE so bet the other 2 dozens.If 1 of them wins you put the resultant 3 chips on your chosen dozen ( from the 3 groups that give a return of 7 / 2 . ) on the 4th spin.
and that , I think, is it.-Scepticus
If you don't agree with the number of numbers being bet, then define them yourself.  You asked us to review the system and explain why it wouldn't work, but then ducked away when we asked the questions about the bets.  Harry is the one that kindly provided us with the info.
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When using a " sleeper " strategy you simply bet the indicated 3rd and 4th as a double ( parlay )-Scepticus
The amount of money bet doesn't change the odds.
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You need , however , to VIEW the Block to understand the above but I don't see why THAT should be MY problem.-Scepticus

No I don't, and I really don't want to see them. LOL
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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2015, 04:26:30 PM »
You won't view the  Block , Real ,because you have already made up you mind that it is useless. If you had looked at it you would have seen that it would require you to bet ALL 3 dozens on the first 2 spins and YOU think that betting all 3 dozens at the same time is just " a waste of time " ? LOL  If you bet all 3 you cannot win but you can lose  if zero appears. ! And you claim to be a roulette professional.
Still , I am glad that your closed mind doesn't allow you to examine other viewpoints . My  methods are put for consideration for open minded gamblers.If you don't accept that we can get 7/2 for a roughly 3 /1 it pleases me. Your loss, not mine.

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Re: Scep' s roulette strategies .
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2015, 06:16:57 PM »
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If you don't accept that we can get 7/2 for a roughly 3 /1 it pleases me. Your loss, not mine.

I don't, and I suspect that you don't believe your math either.
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2015, 07:22:18 PM »
Not at all .Real.
If Harry had to point it out to you you were clearly incapable of doing so yourself. The first and second virtual spins are  not " a waste of time ". They are necessary " seeds" .After the first two seeds every succeeding set if two numbers become the indicators / triggers
Increasing your  bet CAN adjust the odds .This is  WHY blackjack counters win .If they made every bet a flat bet then it is unlikely they would profit. So they are wrong and you are right ?
If I did not iNCREASE my second bet I would be at a disadvantage. Choosing WHAT to bet  on the second ACTUAL spin  is obviously the key factor. And we are all at risk from variance .  The Long Run arguments is fallacious when we don't bet in the long term .You keep banging on about the  Long term yet complain that we only bet short term ? I claim that my Nine Block Idea is , as Mike would say, an " educated " guess. Just like yours !
Consider .  If I bet , in total ,74 x 2 = 148 units. I would expect lose to 2 zeros and  I  would expect to win  18x 9 = 152 - a profit of 4 units.
How so ? Because I am not facing 9 doubles of 3 and 4  but only 8 due the fact that if my first 2 chip bet loses then my bet is busted. So while a line can win all four spins I can never bet the 4th if the 3rd loses.
Variance is the true enemy of the gambler and no one can calculate uncertainty.