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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2015, 01:44:26 AM »
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If the machine used an electromagnet to pull the ball to a certain spot, then we could simply use and magnetic detector in order to determine which number had been preselected by the RNG, hopefully before the machine calls no more bets.

That might look a little awkward if not suspicious, to hang over the dome with a magnet detector  :-).

I am sure the process takes place after 'No More Bets' (NMB).
Magnets cannot be used in roulette for this simple reason.  When you bring a magnet closer and closer to a metal, when the metal gets too close to the magnet, the metal gets sucked in and sticks to the magnet. If the ball has enough acceleration to continue spinning, any  sudden "pull" by a number, will look unnatural and therefore suspicious. That's very easy to see even for an untrained eye.
If the casino wanted to use a device it would be much easier to  deflect the ball from a number, by introducing air thru tiny nozzles, to push the ball away for falling in that number. But again all it takes is a complain to the authorities, and if they determine that there is foul play, the penalties will be severe, plus the license will be revoked if not for ever, at least long enough to teach the casino a painful lesson.
Magnetic action is very easy to see, you don't need a magnet detector.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2015, 05:33:18 AM »
Why would you want to hang over the machine with a magnet detector???

Who said anything about hanging over it???
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2015, 12:12:08 PM »
Some clarification on the patent. The patent describes the invention of a RNG that could be used in different setups. It doesn't describe a whole machine but the RNG part of it. That's why the patent describes 'In another embodiment'. This means that some airball roulettes could have electro magnetics and other's will reach the predictive RNG outcome by means of other techniques, i.e. adjusted rotor speeds and/or compressed air through nozzles . Because the patent is refering to electromagnetic systems, I can not other than assume this technique is used in some machines but maybe not the one you are familiar with. Reading the patent I see no reason to believe that use of electro magnetics is impossible. If it would result in a unnatural course of the ball is another thing. I could imagine a setup with lot's of deflectors (so that small opening is left between) combined with electro magnetics. 

It might not be even considered cheating in terms of law because the EGM classification these machines have. For the uninformed player though, i think the are highly deceptive.
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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2015, 04:18:10 PM »
I used to play a lot on smartlive casino,they had 2 automated (airball) roulette wheels.
I've played for months,literally thousands of spins and there were 4 to 5 occasions were the videos have been manipulated...
I've seen clearly the ball departing from different number than the one which the ball previously landed!
I'm 100% sure about what I'm telling you,also there were occasions which they have disconnect me in the middle of the action,without me having the slightest of internet connection issue!
Last but not least,one time I've deposited 20 euros,was Friday and I was winning BIG every day,till the next Thursday (6 days since my deposit) I won about 1140 Euros and all these with a 20 deposit.
On the next Thursday when I tried to log in to their website,there was a message saying that they will remain closed for several hours during daytime (UK time) because of some technical service they had to perform...
Perhaps they had very few maintenance before but they were after hours and didn't last so many hours and during the day!
To make a long story short,after that Thursday I kept losing and losing till I returned almost all of the profit I had.
Just think about it,I'm not talking about a day or 2 and also there were no ups and downs for 5 consecutive days (several hours per session)
It was ONLY all the way up and after all the way down...
Does this seems normal to you??!
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2015, 08:31:26 PM »
Blueangel,

I couldn't tell because my guts are telling me not to gamble with some offshore internet casino. From what I read in other forums is that even if you won, they could frustrate you paying out. They could do this putting up ridiculous security demands or hiding behind technical problems or even accuse you from foul play. Do you see yourself starting a procedure with some Maltese gambling board?

My advise, stay away from them.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2015, 09:06:49 PM »
Birima,
I took the decision not to bother anymore with the particular casino.
Now I'm playing only at real casinos (land based) and sometimes on Dublin-bet and Lucky-live because are real casinos with gamblers betting while I'm betting from the net.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2015, 10:20:53 PM »
BlueAngel,

That is a good decision.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2015, 09:36:40 AM »
Read our new research article by R. Groenen:

Are Electronic Air-ball roulette systems rigged?

You can find very much valuable information and material media there.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2015, 12:44:09 PM »
This paper of Robert Groenen is very interested. It is a must for all visitors of the game houses. It is welknown the payout of the automates is about 92%. A roulette device suggest a payout of 97,3% .If the roulette is manipulated and pay out less, it is cheating. Since I am active on iternet I warn everybody for these possibilities.

In an earlyer stage I had already e-mail contact with Robert.He is a researcher and expert in Holland.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2015, 01:50:25 PM »
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It is welknown the payout of the automates is about 92%. A roulette device suggest a payout of 97,3% .

It even gets worst if you take the following into account:

"The house edge should not be confused with the hold. The hold is the average percentage of the money originally brought to the table that the player loses before he leaves—the actual “win” amount for the casino. The Casino Control Commission in Atlantic City releases a monthly report showing the win/hold amounts for each casino. The average win/hold for double zero wheels is between 21-30%, significantly more than the 5.26% house edge."
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2015, 02:05:10 PM »
Hi,

There was a guy, a mathematician actually, who was doing such a test with his own results in a specific casino. Ideed the payout was much worse than, 97,3%.
It's an old thread now, you can find it here
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2015, 03:25:47 PM »
I am not an airball machine expert; but this should be obvious: If only one person is playing, this person is an easy target. So just don´t play alone. The machine can´t beat all players (with varied bets) at once.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2015, 12:54:45 PM »
I think the best way to test the airball roulette is  with a sector wager.
Place 19 units on zero and low red and high black. You cover the left halve of the European wheel. Occur the high red and the low black signilly more than the statistic expectation the wheel is manipulated.
 

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2015, 03:44:28 PM »
Just one thing I want to say about this which struck me the other day as I was playing on a version of automatic roulette. There must have been about 5-6 times where the ball went from what would have been a losing number for me into a winning number. Is it the case where people who think they are cheated unfortunately have a strategy which  just plain does not work? If a system loses, who is at fault? The player or the machine.

just an observation!

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Re: About airball roulette
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2015, 05:44:35 PM »
Interesting thread that draws my attention. I wonder, why have an auto-wheel anyway, when all that needs to be done is to tie into the live dealer game? The last three times I played at a boat-based casino near where I live I played both the auto-wheel and normal table games. Each time I lost money vigorously during the auto-wheel play; and left with a profit on the regular-table play. It seemed to me that no matter what I did at the auto-wheel I couldn't hit a win if my life depended on it. Just a personal observation, I will stick with the regular table game with the live dealer from now on.