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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2017, 10:28:21 PM »
Thanks for sharing your work Palestis. Very easy system to understand.

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3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger

You don't use this condition in your example. In fact if you used this condition in the example sequence, then you would miss 3 hits (!) and would not have avoided any losses.

So maybe this condition is not such a good idea.
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For testing purposes, I didn't use this condition as well as the other preventive situations that I mentioned above. The reason is I wanted to test as many numbers as possible  without wasting time  to incorporate red flags. So even betting with the presence of red flags, the system performed extremely well.
Once I established the huge Win to Loss ratio being a fact, I examined the situations where a lost cycle ( trigger) occurred. And most losses occurred after those red flags were present. Including the one you are inquiring about. Some losses were unrelated to those red flag conditions. Including the ones in the testing example that I posted. But the overall average of thousands and thousands of test spins, indicated that a major portion of lost cycles  were due to these red flags.
Ignoring them, the system still wins overwhelmingly.

But my attitude towards the casino is not to give them the slightest chance to win a round here and there.
Ideally if I place 100 bets I would like to win 99 and lose only one. I don't want the  casino to win even one time during my session. That is y I am looking for trigger restrictions that render a system bulletproof.  Patience and time is a must when you want to win all the time.
Lost winning opportunities and wasted time do not concern me. The end result is what I aim at.

« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 11:46:16 PM by palestis »
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2017, 12:51:25 AM »


I can see that playing this single dozen system, the wins come easier then if you were to just picking any dozen randomly. avoiding losing series is what it is all about.
playing the dozen with a column can give me a way out of having to raise a bet sometime. even flat betting with a double bet when you first begin your session can help me not having to raise my bet later on. by regressing to a single unit after winning the double.
like in poker the more outs you have out of one hand, the better. another out could be to place 2 split bets where the dozen and the column crisscross  and help the situation in times of need, covering those 4 numbers.
 good job with the method.

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 02:41:10 AM »
when palestis comes with a system on dozens i always read it with interest. this one seems good to, as always. i've expected nothing less from you :)
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 03:04:26 AM »
Thanks for sharing your work Palestis. Very easy system to understand.

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3. If the first 2 bets after the trigger result in XX (same dozen as the majority dozen in the trigger, you stop and only lose 2 bets). Easily recoverable in the next trigger

You don't use this condition in your example. In fact if you used this condition in the example sequence, then you would miss 3 hits (!) and would not have avoided any losses.

So maybe this condition is not such a good idea.
Yes
For testing purposes, I didn't use this condition as well as the other preventive situations that I mentioned above. The reason is I wanted to test as many numbers as possible  without wasting time  to incorporate red flags. So even betting with the presence of red flags, the system performed extremely well.
Once I established the huge Win to Loss ratio being a fact, I examined the situations where a lost cycle ( trigger) occurred. And most losses occurred after those red flags were present. Including the one you are inquiring about. Some losses were unrelated to those red flag conditions. Including the ones in the testing example that I posted. But the overall average of thousands and thousands of test spins, indicated that a major portion of lost cycles  were due to these red flags.
Ignoring them, the system still wins overwhelmingly.

But my attitude towards the casino is not to give them the slightest chance to win a round here and there.
Ideally if I place 100 bets I would like to win 99 and lose only one. I don't want the  casino to win even one time during my session. That is y I am looking for trigger restrictions that render a system bulletproof.  Patience and time is a must when you want to win all the time.
Lost winning opportunities and wasted time do not concern me. The end result is what I aim at.

True. Palestis. The end result is what to aim at .
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2017, 12:46:10 AM »

I can see that playing this single dozen system, the wins come easier then if you were to just picking any dozen randomly. avoiding losing series is what it is all about.
playing the dozen with a column can give me a way out of having to raise a bet sometime. even flat betting with a double bet when you first begin your session can help me not having to raise my bet later on. by regressing to a single unit after winning the double.
like in poker the more outs you have out of one hand, the better. another out could be to place 2 split bets where the dozen and the column crisscross  and help the situation in times of need, covering those 4 numbers.
 good job with the method.
When a system is being  tested, the  most important merit is to verify that losses after a trigger don't occur back to back. Or having  frequent back to back losses, following a single win. That is the root of most system failures.  Especially if progression is used.
Any system with rare back to back losses followed by frequent consecutive wins can very well be a winning system.
It's reassuring to know that after a trigger loss, the next cycle will be a winner. Aside statistical observations and Win /Loss ratio computations,  the idea of back to back losses should be an inherent part of any system testing. If this premise is ignored, a head on collision with the black swan will sooner or later happen.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2017, 07:08:07 PM »
I'm doing some testing, and this seems to look good.

After a week is everyone else on board? I love single dozen methods.
So much more playable.

What other single dozen methods have you worked out?
I'd love to hear.

Thanks!!
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2017, 08:47:35 PM »
I've been testing this and it has been great.

Trying to figure out why everyone abandoned it like
rats on a sinking ship.?????
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2017, 09:10:46 PM »
I like the ease of play. Its easy to recall in your mind, however for me I was just going up and down, up and down.

I've been testing this and it has been great.

Trying to figure out why everyone abandoned it like
rats on a sinking ship. ??? ??
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2017, 12:04:41 PM »
Jake, I remember you saying that. My testing has worked better for me.

For one thing, I can't think of a better starting place for a method. One
that goes steady as she goes.

I am trying to determine the best way of betting. What I was thinking
of was 1-1-2-3-4-5. That is 16 units bank and 2 groups of 3, in consideration
of this play. That lets you win a unit or so each time, I believe, and gives
you reasonable exposure each trigger, with a stop loss.

Perhaps you played a flatter betting progression and that is why you didn't
profit????  Cause I have good luck getting a hit within 2 triggers.

Feedback?  There is no value in trying good methods and just walking away from them.
And good bet selection is key.

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2017, 01:14:06 PM »
Mogul, i get back to back losses every so often. But with your progression i have done better. Seems to be easier to recover. Are you stopping and look for another dozen to bet after two losses?
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 01:39:21 PM »
Here are the first 208 spins using the progression with -16 units stop loss. +50 units.

Lost two back to back in the session, but popped right back up.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 02:00:07 PM »
Next round for 300 spins and only +9 units. Lots of back to back losses.

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 03:42:38 PM »
When reread the post again, i realised that i haven't playing it correctly, because when i got a trigger i played it until a loss or win, and then wait for the next trigger to begin. I didn't stop betting according to the rules as if xyxx showed up i just bet the 1-1-2 prog until a win or loss.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2017, 01:07:39 PM »
hello  everybody , i ve discusssed a lot about this system with jim , and all i can say is that is an amazing and so simple system , easy to recover , and even at your bad day wont lose your bankroll , i vw worked in  a kind of variation make it more solid , i ll perhaps post it at time , cheers pete
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2017, 01:39:07 PM »
hey guys theoritically  its so easy to beat roulette ... but  for real .. its so hard , never forget that thing ! ;)