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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Don't Panic...Just breathe quietly.
« Last post by MrPerfect. on December 09, 2017, 12:28:00 PM »
Fyodor, did you ask that " quite" fellow how he play? Or you are a post wrighter?
   You " inspect "wheels without skill,take conclusions without knowledge,  now you are reading minds? ???   
   Besides , according to your original post, you are looking players more then roulette itself... that's alarming for someone without skill.... could you post data for your last play endaviors?
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Pay close attention
« Last post by MrPerfect. on December 09, 2017, 12:20:12 PM »
Fyodor, everything is as expected. You shouldn't see bias, as you didn't got a skill yet and you shouldn't win, because you are gambler. 
    Roulette is not for everyone. To win, need to study and determination to perform such a study. If one do not do the study  (home work) , roulette destroy his money.
   I see your anger in your posts, it's OK to be beaten,problem is when people do not take any conclusions from it. Or do wrong conclusions.... especially so ,if they suck at the game and assume it's random... no one can help these.
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by Mike on December 09, 2017, 12:04:49 PM »
An example of nonindependent outcomes is a not rigged roulette wheel or a trng.

I agree that the scenario I just described would be unlikely, not because casinos don't cheat but because if they were doing so, a simpler way would be to just change the outcome AFTER the bet has been placed (some rigged RNGs may do this). In that case the dependency is between the bet and the next outcome, not between the spins, which would still be independent. Some people think that changing the way they bet can foil the casino cheating, as though they are trying to figure out your system. That's not necessary when all they have to do is change the outcome after you've place your bet.
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by kav on December 09, 2017, 11:37:18 AM »
Conclusion:
One way or another, Palestis' systems are an inspiration to everyone ;-)
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by Mike on December 09, 2017, 10:56:50 AM »
Kav,

You're right about the point of release not being sufficient to indicate where the ball drops, but it wasn't clear from your statement that it was tongue in cheek. Many members of this forum believe even stranger things. And BTW, you did say "JUST the fact...", which implies that just knowing the release point IS enough.

The example I have in mind is when the casino is cheating. I'm not saying that this would be a likely scenario, just that it's a case of past outcomes influencing future outcomes and affecting their probability. The details don't matter but let's suppose someone is betting heavily on red after 5 blacks in a row (Palestis' system!). The casino is using a rigged wheel with magnets, and is also aware that this player is using this particular system. Whenever 5 blacks in a row appear the magnets are switched on to deflect the ball away from red. This would mean that knowing the past outcomes (the occurrence of 5 blacks) DOES affect the probability of the occurrence of the future outcomes (red is less likely after 5 blacks). Therefore outcomes are not independent.
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Casino Lounge / Re: Dobbelsteen`Blog
« Last post by dobbelsteen on December 09, 2017, 10:48:34 AM »

The neighbors and systems
On this forum you can find a lot about systems of the table layout wagers and less about neighbor systems.
What possible is on the table is also possible on the wheel.
Hereby a analyse of a neighbor system simular to the DS of the table.

I divide the wheel in six neighbors and give them a ranking  1 to 6.
For example NE 1 the neighbors 0-2;NE 2 25-13; NE 3 36-10;NE 4 5-20 ; NE 5 14- 29 ; NE 6 7-26
NE 1 has 7 figures and the other 6.

With Excel I make a permanence of the occurrence of each NE for a 150 spins sample.
See the picture.



This analyze, you can use for developing systems. Here my program for the Dobbelsteen triangle. Sum the  last fallen 2 figures. The sum varies between 2 and 12.The graphic has a shape of a triangle.

Hereby the picture and the data.



You can use the triangle for a strategy

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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by MrPerfect. on December 09, 2017, 10:36:54 AM »
 I do not know what Mike expects as an answer, Kav.
   But what you have written is correct.
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by Jesper on December 09, 2017, 10:35:41 AM »
The spins outcome are independent events.  a sequence of numbers like    1,1,1,12,12  is in fact one  more a sign of independent trials and randomness than not.  A lot of scatter is not a proof of random outcomes.   It is also hard to proof a random like stream has independent relation.  In some cryptographic system it has. Such a system must be looking very random, but still by a key be able to sure look up. Such is not a roulette wheel, and no good rng has such way of find the next number.
An example of nonindependent outcomes is a not rigged roulette wheel or a trng.
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by kav on December 09, 2017, 10:23:13 AM »
Mike,
I answered your question in good faith because it was fun and teasing.
Don't try to extract deeper conclusions.
The fact that the spin outcome is dependent on a parameter (the position of where the ball is spun from) does not mean this parameter alone is enough to determine the outcome.

What's the "correct" answer?
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Casino Lounge / Re: What would be an example of NON-independent outcomes?
« Last post by Mike on December 09, 2017, 09:43:00 AM »
Fyodor,

So you're saying that knowing ONLY the previous numbers which have hit, you can pick the next numbers at rate higher than expectation, and without betting after the ball has been spun?

If so, I would find that hard to believe. This is what scammer Steve H claims he can do, and there are lot of customers still waiting to get their money back.

@ kav,

If that were true, you would only need to know from which pocket the ball is spun from in order to make a good "prediction".
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