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jerome26b

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2017, 12:25:42 AM »
Mrperfect,

I clearly understand what you mean and every day I have the same dilemma sometimes. I want to play my strategy to the end but sometimes hitting so quickly (and If i played a higher unit) it will make my day earning in 2 spins. but I want to play my full strategy now it can take 30 minutes more for the same result, better or less at the end. It's some optimization I will do in the long term analyzing at least 1000 games.

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2017, 12:31:05 AM »
Jake,

I understand you completely, it's a gambler problem and the fact you have to consider this activity as a kind of a job. the fact that the money is just a reward but not your first motivation. beating the roulette should be our first motivation and the money is just the reward for that. You have to switch from leisure to professional way if you want to consider it as a really income in your life in my opinion. 

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HolyGrail
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2017, 07:59:43 AM »
Everything depends on whether HolyGrail is a game method that does not lose at all or a game method that wins more than a lose but when its just speaks of holygrail roulette usually means a game method that does not lose at all and this type of game methods strategys systems seems to be a lot to sell around internet  holygrail 100% Wins I think though that really would be a matter of no lose Roulette method How would it not be necessary to sell it in order to get income when it common sense  earn a million's by it owner  ;)
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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2017, 05:32:37 PM »
Yes there's no clear definition of HG of roulette and i don't think we will find it in the dictionary ;-)
It's why i'm speaking about more a personal HG definition for me just talking about a winning system or strategy is good enough as well...
In my opinion the only HG is the martingale without any limit and i don't think there's another HG that will sustain all the wheel can bring as entropy. Let's take example apparently Mrtalos has an never losing system yet, maybe his system will not lose in his lifetime at all or maybe once or two or 2-3 times only in a million spin. But it will lose at a certain point if you do a simulation and generate billions outcomes.
So at the end i prefer to refer to a more valuable metric as units win / spin. My strategy can lose sometimes (usually less than once in 10 games) and can go quite even or little profit or sometimes good profit if i'm lucky enough cause yes my syrategy needs some luck to win big and have big days. But more important when it's losing it's losing usually around 100 units. i never experienced yet losing back to back games. In that situation i could even think about doubling my unit size in the second game to recoup but i don't care. One day i will study all my games and do some statistics to maybe even improve it a bit. I prefer to build my bankroll slowly then increase my unit size than playing a progression cause yes at a moment everything can happen and in that case i'm losing just around 100 units and i don't cry just wait play the next days or few hours later and i will recoup easily...
One of the most important point about my strategy now is the fact i can play quite short sessions. i was very frustrated last time playing until 6 hours and see my balance going down and my mind becoming crazy. i had always to be able to manage my time cause i knew the game can be so long and it's not convenient at all when you have a work, friends and family. it happens i had to leave the game at a point i was very minus cause of personal appointments and this was not good for my psychological balance. I know now when i start a game usually it will be for 30-40 spins not more. i can even win after few spins if i'm lucky enough but usually i play it in a complete way so it's around 30 spins of playing. But in some circumstances it happens i played 4-5 spins and had like 2 hits and leave the game. When i'm in plus or very little loser i'm never worried to leave the game cause i'm bored, tired ... it's a very important criteria in my case this flexibility.

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2017, 08:14:04 PM »
HG = EDGE. Casinos found their at the form of HE. Players found their at the form of players edge. There is HG for everyone, independently of the side of the table . Use the one that suits you better.
 
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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2017, 12:52:16 PM »
Yes i agree on the edge definition for the HG. i just computed my last days of playing and i get near 2 units profit by spin on average.
448 spins played. 12 games and a short one cause i had an unexpected private meeting. profit of 795 in total. I had yesterday one losing game for an exposition of -80. the max exposition i can have is around -100, it can go hypothetically to -150 but i still didn't have it. And because i don't use progression it's secure. I still have room to even do it better but the idea will stay the same cause in my case the idea is my HG. For MrTalos if i remember well he always said his progression was the real HG but he got the idea first. It's not my case. Maybe i can do better with progression but i don't want to feel inconfortable and i prefer to stay flat and just increase my unit size when i will have a confortable bankroll. I will not stay until i get 100000 spins to increase my bet. Maybe 10000 or a certain bankroll amount or do some shots. it's still not clearly plan and it's something i'm working now about the best way to manage and use my bankroll. Time is money and i don't want to spend all my extra time just playing roulette for nothing. i had already invested thousands hours in the last few years to get my strategy and i see that as like doing studies. i invested time (and money) in the game and i want to recoup it in the best way. Like mrtalos my next months of playing will be probably to just recover the money i already put in the game last years. Then we will see, i will probably be hurt as well with some problems due to online playing if i'm a regular withdrawer.

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Re: HolyGrail
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2017, 11:18:37 AM »
Everything depends on whether HolyGrail is a game method that does not lose at all or a game method that wins more than a lose but when its just speaks of holygrail roulette usually means a game method that does not lose at all and this type of game methods strategys systems seems to be a lot to sell around internet  holygrail 100% Wins I think though that really would be a matter of no lose Roulette method How would it not be necessary to sell it in order to get income when it common sense  earn a million's by it owner  ;)

A winning system which could lose once in a while could generate more profit than a ''HG'' which never loses.

For example, someone could bet on average once per one hundred spins and always win, he bets rarely because he waits for some not common conditions before he bets.

Another player bets every spin, loses more bets, but in the end wins more units from the player who never loses but bets rarely.

Aftermath is that balance depends from both, lost & won bets, profit is not only about payout size but also about how frequent it is.

I'd rather place 50 bets per hour and make a small profit rather than waiting 2 hours to do a win bet.
It's just a matter of style and mine is active.
 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2017, 04:25:41 PM »


Guys,

I have finally found the HG.

DrTalos didn't lie at all. There is someone else who has it, his name starts with an V.

Or is DrTalos = V.... ?

Anyway their method of exploiting the wheel remains the same.

Hints:

* 37 spin cycle.
* flat-betting no progressions.

Good luck guys !

 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2017, 05:48:56 PM »

For starters dr Talos not only is using progression, but also regards it as the most important element of his strategy.
Second, he never bets less than a line, these were what he told, whether he lied or not is another thing.

I've yet to see a progression which wins regardless of the selection, is there any?!
From the other hand, a selection could be overall profitable without progression.
I believe you, but let's pretend that I'm the ''Devil's advocate'', thus not convinced, would you mind play along the lines for a while?

Issue number 1: by betting every number which hits, you have to overcome 22 unique in 22 spins, which means 22 successive lost bets without a single repeat/win.

Issue number 2: by betting all numbers with 2 hits you must to deal with 18 double hit numbers without any with 3 hits, that's one more barrier which could appear in our way.

Issue number 3: by betting all numbers before they hit you could encounter only 18 unique and 19 repeats within any 37 spins cycle, as you might understand the un-hit numbers are destined to fail under such conditions.

Issue number 4: by expecting ''certain'' repeats during the last 7 spins of the 37 spins cycle could lead you to disaster since you would bet more numbers for less profit per win, I've personally witnessed 30 uniques with just 7 repeats within 37 spins and none of those 7 repeats occurred during the last 7 spins.

I've lost money with all the above situations, this made me thinking how useful is to know what number hit (or didn't) and how many hits.
What good is this kind of information when regardless of how you are going to bet there is a situation which could make you lose.(?)

You might argue that such events are rare and you'd be true but when you win 80 times 1 unit and lose only once 100 units you are still deep in the sithole.
So what's the magic formula which will make us win more than we lose?

I've the answer but I'd prefer to listen yours first.
So...? Anyone...?
 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2017, 06:47:16 PM »


The key is the amount of numbers that you have to bet to break even or make profit during the cycle of play.

It always remains flat-betting, you can call it a "progression". But that's misleading.

Also, you need to find a way to able to bet on the singles and repeaters within a certain range.

No outside bets, no splits, no quads etc.
 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2017, 06:48:41 PM »
CONGRATS! Junscissorhands !  but I agree with B.A., Talos uses (if needed) a progression.
AND....Although I am happy for you, I personally would need Dr. Talos, to confirm that you and he compared each others play and you do in fact posses his magic~
However, I salute your effort in finding your way to a GRAIL, that works for you and wish you many years of fortune.  If for no other reason, I am happy you posted, because this place has been pretty lame recently.   
By the way, this topic asks a question........apparently you have no intentions of answering it?

Best Regards, juice

 
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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2017, 07:05:31 PM »


Thank you Juice !

I would tell and give hints but never give it away or reveal it to answer your question.

I would love to speak to him and compare. Although i see we are exploiting the same weakness his method of
play is definetely different.

Blueangel, the method of betting is definetely why it's a winner and that's flat-betting.

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2017, 07:12:15 PM »
I've said it several times before and I'm going to say it once more, if one thing could make the difference this would be the timing effect and not how many numbers or units you are betting.
 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2017, 07:14:42 PM »
Incorrect, to call it the HG you have to be able to play every spin and not timing.

Singles and repeats occur in different ranges in a spin cycle.

You need to find a way to play all those ranges catching the sleepers, doubles and repeaters.

How many numbers you bet is key.
 

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Re: What if you found the Holy Grail?
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2017, 07:21:56 PM »
Allow me to think otherwise, unless you filter the raw sequence, no matter how many numbers you are betting on you will eventually encounter your nemesis.
You have to separate the wheat from the chalk and there are a lot of craps to weed out!
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