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Romn.Paras

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How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« on: March 31, 2016, 03:04:01 AM »
Hello Friends.  I have been reading different periodicals and came across an interesting perspective and would like to share it with you all.

The article stated that " The first principle of any game--every game--is the same.  It's a four sided proposition.  The sides are about like this:

1.) Prevent your opponent(the bank)  from making you play his game, the style of play he prefers.

2.) Prevent yourself from playing his game.

3.) Prevent him from preventing your making him play your game.

4.) Make him play your game.

So how do we prevent the bank from making us play his game?  Does that mean we use a positive progression instead of a negative progression because a negative progression chases our previous losses and that is what the bank wants?  Do we play the outside instead of the inside bets because the odds are much better for us on the outside and the inside benefits the house? 

These were some of the thoughts and ideas I was pondering this afternoon. I would be interested to hear your prospective on this.


 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 03:20:20 AM »
I think. Romn, it comes down to  personal  opinion .
I Flat Bet.
I Hit and Run - which really means - if in  profit  I leave that table.
I now play Straight - Up or Splits because if variance favours me ( luck ) I win more than if  I make Outside Bets.
( for my bankroll }
I also stop for the night when I win or lose a certain amount .( my target }
So I think that I do not bet the way that the casino wants me to bet  !
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2016, 03:46:14 AM »
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?

 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2016, 07:11:22 AM »
I use what could be called hit and run as part of my overall strategy, but it is connected to bankroll exposure.

I play long time with small bankroll exposure and large win targets, moderate time with moderate bankroll exposure and moderate win targets, and short time with high bankroll exposure and low win targets.

So betting for relatively short periods with my bankroll at its most vulnerable to win a minimal amount is kind of hit and run in a way.
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 07:56:51 AM »
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?

On this I agree completely. Whether you have a winning system or a tracking software that does the same thing ,applying a strategy of 'hit & run' is more about psychology than the producing profitability of said system or TS.

If your system or TS platform has computational flaws, taking said hit & run and reiterating the former method of 'nibbling small stakes'  from the casino, be it a hundred times or even putting it on an infinite curve, will with good certainty produce a loser on the long run.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 08:33:31 AM by thomasleor »
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2016, 08:49:45 AM »
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?


Stress is known as "fight or flight".
Opposed to "Stay and Play" :)

The banks want you to transcend Time - or to forget Time.
No clock is in sight.
They really do want you to stay as long as possible.
You might be smitten by greed, fatique,  noise, lights etc.
Time is still essential.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 08:52:04 AM by Dane »
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2016, 08:50:36 AM »
I too, agree with Real. Never saw the point of hit and run, and why have a win target? if you're winning keep at it until the tide turns.
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2016, 08:55:21 AM »
They really do want you to stay as long as possible.
You might be smitten by greed, fatique,  noise, lights etc.
Time is still essential.

Yes but as Thomas says, any advantage is purely psychological. Hitting and running can't affect the edge. An edge is an edge, and if you have it, you could play all day and night as long as fatigue and other factors don't mess up your discipline.
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2016, 09:13:48 AM »
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2016, 10:10:56 AM »
Real Scepticus does not claim  he wager a winning system His method has the charactor of a strategy.

Hit and run belongs to a strategy

 You still do not understand a strategy and a system.

I know the definition of the House Edge . The only edge of peaple is their mind and experience.
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2016, 10:44:03 AM »
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.

 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2016, 11:02:59 AM »
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.

Yeah, confusing...

If you only expose your bankroll for brief periods how can you have a lengthy winning stretch?

Hit and run would work if you knew that during those brief periods you were going to win, but we can never know that.

Besides, hit and run sounds like far too exhausting a way to play.  ;D
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 03:04:49 PM by rotaman »
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2016, 07:38:14 PM »

You guys tell us there is no difference  between Staying and Playing and Hit and Run.
 As Dobbelsteen has told you we use Hit and Run because , due to OUR experience we have found it more profitable than Staying and Playing.
You also tell us that if we stay then the longer we stay and play the more certain that we are to lose both our bankroll and any profits we have made .
By leaving a table when we have a profit that profit is then put away and not used again in that session . Clearly our  bankroll is not at the same risk as is those who Stay and Play. Also ,  our put-aside profits can  add up to more than  our initial bankroll  and even if the infamous long Run hits us we still have a profit while the bankroll of our Stay and Play friends is totally lost - including any profits made.

REALITY  beats  HYPOTHESES  !
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2016, 08:13:18 PM »
Oh OK, I get it.  replacing the bankroll with winnings?
 

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Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2016, 09:18:56 PM »
Correct. Stay and play because hit and run is useless.

I stay and play in 3 stage rounds of up to 500 spins total. I expose a small portion of the bank roll for about 350-400 spins, then expose a bit more bankroll for about 100-180 spins, then expose the whole bankroll for about 20-40 spins.
If after the first 2 stages I have lost money then I do not proceed to stage 3 and expose the whole bankroll. I simply start again from stage 1.
Sometimes I will play only the first 2 stages for several or more sessions because I keep losing, but the moment my system is on a winning stretch and shows profit for the first 2 stages (about 450-480 spins) I will push on and play large for a relatively brief period to try and capitalize on the upward momentum.

Yes, sometimes I lose the whole bankroll in 20-40 spins too.

But this is all about creating an edge with a level selection (which is the best we can hope for) and making my bank work for me.