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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2015, 06:25:13 AM »
Game never over is absolutely right about having a big bank roll and small profit targets. The example given by him  sets the profit target of 2.5 percent of the bank roll. For 10,000 bank roll winning 250 may sound very low but it is very easily achievable and it does adds up in long run. I dont think you even need a great startegy or full proof system to win 2.5% of your bank roll. Just know the game well and play smart you can win even 5% of your bank roll on daily basis..

That may work, but not because the Daily play is limited. It is how the play is done. a few % may be the result due to carefully play. it is not as such low win% makes sucess.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2015, 09:11:26 AM »
Game never over is absolutely right about having a big bank roll and small profit targets. The example given by him  sets the profit target of 2.5 percent of the bank roll. For 10,000 bank roll winning 250 may sound very low but it is very easily achievable and it does adds up in long run. I dont think you even need a great startegy or full proof system to win 2.5% of your bank roll. Just know the game well and play smart you can win even 5% of your bank roll on daily basis.

Hi Shakuni and welcome to the forum.
On one hand I totally agree that one should have low win target per session. It is the famous "just one chip" law. If you manage to win just one chip you have a winning system.
On the other hand the problem is still there most of the time. While you may win 99% of the times, usually that 1% can still destroy your previous profits.
That's why no matter if you play a dangerous system or a conservative system, the risk reward ratio at the end of the day is the same. As is the house advantage.

I'm not saying that it is impossible to practically win. I'm saying that it is impossible theoretically to have 100% certainty of winning.
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2015, 11:30:08 AM »
GNO
 Computers can be a help in roulette prediction because some people have actually won lots of money using them.But if you are caught using them in a real casino you will be barred from  that casino and many more.
What I dispute is that OUR AP members can actually do better than the Expectation without the aid of a computer. What they claim can be put down to Random .
What I object to is their incessant chanting that ONLY  vb can beat roulette.

Using computers in casino is cheating. Even if you are using simple system and you are continually winning in ONE SAME CASINO, you'll rise flags and your ass will get kicked and banned to enter forever.
Real story about one man who was smart and patient enough to wait (and win) but wasn't smart enough to switch the casinos from time to time:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218061/In-money-Gambler-banned-UK-casinos-winning-28-000-using-secret-system.html

Noone wants the winners. Winners are dangerous.
We don't need 200 IQ to realize that.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2015, 11:36:42 AM »
Game never over is absolutely right about having a big bank roll and small profit targets. The example given by him  sets the profit target of 2.5 percent of the bank roll. For 10,000 bank roll winning 250 may sound very low but it is very easily achievable and it does adds up in long run. I dont think you even need a great startegy or full proof system to win 2.5% of your bank roll. Just know the game well and play smart you can win even 5% of your bank roll on daily basis..

40 sessions can be played in one month. So, doubling of the initial bank can be done in 1 month.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2015, 11:56:27 AM »
@Kav and @Jesper
Never forget:
"Las Vegas is built on greed."

Jesper which casino is offering to bet 0.01 euro per number?
And what are the limits for the other bets?
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2015, 01:03:31 PM »
One by one, I'll try to remember and write here all the approaches that I've come across through my lifetime.

Today I'm going to start with one interesting approach about which I've read on one other forum few years ago (can't remember which).

The guy that originally used this one was from Asia - China or Hong Kong. He was using this simple method:
1) he was waiting one dozen to repeat 6 times in a row (happens very rarely but does happen)
2) after the trigger appears he was using the aggressive 4 steps progression: 1-3-9-27 (80 units total) on the dozens which doesn't come up
3) his initial bankroll was 800.000 dollars (or eventually his local currency - I don't remember exactly) and his 1 unit was 5000 (the progression was; 5.000-15.000-45.000-135.000) dollars thus he was having enough money to come out alive from one bad session, but not two.

As he was writing his posts (they were kinda his diary) he get to more then 1.200.000 dollars in very short time and as he wrote he never encountered more then 9 repeats on dozen but expected to see 10 repeats, sooner or later.

What I remember about this guy is that:
1) he was never greedy. 2 to 3 units (10 to 15K) and he was out the casino.
2) he was never using the same casino over and over again. Let say: two days in one casino, and then he packed his bags and get to other, rival casino.
3) his goal was to double the initial 800K (to get to 1.600K) and then double the 1 unit value (from 5K to 10K).

What do you think about this approach?
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2015, 01:37:20 PM »
Never thought about betting that high.  Ten dozen in a row, will show, but it is possible to get a way with it.  Some just are lucky.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2015, 01:39:17 PM »
Hi GNO
The guy you referred to who was banned from a casino in the UK was PROBABLY Balvinder Sambhi. You should know that he is a  seller of a "large " progression system. Some who bought his system said it was rubbish.You sometimes have to wait for ages before having a bet. Casinos do not , as a matter of policy, give reasons for anyone being banned so any claims of being banned for winning should be treated with caution, particularly claims by  system sellers .
Which leads me to your Asian winner. If six wins in a row for any dozen takes a long time how long do you need to wait before betting ? His idea may be profitable but any ONE individual may NEVER see six in a row .Patience may be a virtue but for anyone who likes a gamble  there are limits. Personally,  I will never adopt a strategy that might mean that I do not have even ONE bet the whole evening . Would you ? Really ?
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2015, 01:56:17 PM »
Game never over is absolutely right about having a big bank roll and small profit targets. The example given by him  sets the profit target of 2.5 percent of the bank roll. For 10,000 bank roll winning 250 may sound very low but it is very easily achievable and it does adds up in long run. I dont think you even need a great startegy or full proof system to win 2.5% of your bank roll. Just know the game well and play smart you can win even 5% of your bank roll on daily basis.

Hi Shakuni and welcome to the forum.
On one hand I totally agree that one should have low win target per session. It is the famous "just one chip" law. If you manage to win just one chip you have a winning system.
On the other hand the problem is still there most of the time. While you may win 99% of the times, usually that 1% can still destroy your previous profits.
That's why no matter if you play a dangerous system or a conservative system, the risk reward ratio at the end of the day is the same. As is the house advantage.

I'm not saying that it is impossible to practically win. I'm saying that it is impossible theoretically to have 100% certainty of winning.
Yes a 99% win rate may seem impressive vs. the 1% possibility to lose . That 1% however can do great damage when it happens. And it does happen.
But that only happens if a progression is carried to its max or until all bank roll is allowed to be completely depleted thru a progression.
A much better and safer approach is to determine in advance a series of bets with progression, after a trigger has appeared. These series of bets have to be limited to a level where recovery can be easily achieved in the next round or the next few rounds. That way you never allow the 1% to do its damage. Those series of limited bets is called "the winning range" after a trigger has formed. And it can only be determined thru experience and long time research. It allows you to have a much better chance to hit the target, while limiting your exposure to a total disaster.
Lets not forget, there is always another cycle coming up after a rare cycle has happened.
What is extremely rare (if not impossible), is to run into RARE situations repeatedly cycle after cycle.
For example you may see in a score board or one of your score cards, that 5 black in a row turned to become 13,14, 15 black in a row.
I guarantee you that looking down further on the list you will never see that 5 black in a row become 13,14,15 once again.
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2015, 02:24:16 PM »
Never thought about betting that high.  Ten dozen in a row, will show, but it is possible to get a way with it.  Some just are lucky.

Yes it happens but extremely rarely. Some of us won't have the opportunity to see that in our lifetimes.

But most of us have already seen or will see 6 or even 7 consecutive repeats on the same dozen from time to time.
Like he said, somewhere in the beginning he get to the third step of the progression and started to sweat when started to put the money on the table. But then he won. This (third step) was the furthest he got on his progression.

What I think is great about this approach is the fact that even if it eventually get to 11 repeats on the same dozen (statistically chances for something like this to happen is 1:250.000) but compared with the 1:1000 chances to see 6 dozens repeating and then make 1 unit profit in the next 4 spins, and additionally comparing the 1 in 250.000 (to hit 10 repeats in a row and lose the bank) to 1 in 1000 (to hit 6 repeats in a row and then make 1 unit profit) we get to 1 losing session (busting the bankroll) to 250 winning sessions. 1 winning session brings 1 unit X 250 winning sessions bring 250 units. 1 bust on the bankroll brings losing of 80 units.

IMO starting this approach with 3 bankrolls (3 X 80 units = 240 units) will be enough.

@Jesper you didn't tell me which casino do you use which allows to bet 0.01 euro on numbers? And what are the limits for the other bets?
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2015, 02:34:42 PM »
By writing all these you gave me more than enough clues to understand your method.
I've tried to PM you but your mail box is full.
One of my methods is similar to yours,not ordinary at all!
We might speak outside...

I've tried to msg you but probably there is some problems with the system because it shows that your inbox is full too. :)
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2015, 02:51:10 PM »
By writing all these you gave me more than enough clues to understand your method.
I've tried to PM you but your mail box is full.
One of my methods is similar to yours,not ordinary at all!
We might speak outside...

I've tried to msg you but probably there is some problems with the system because it shows that your inbox is full too. :)

You can write me here: blueangelsystem@gmail.com
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2015, 07:08:38 AM »
Ask an elder (if you know some living nearby) how to achieve something in life. Most of the time you'll receive the same answer: "You must be hardworking and patient." But we are strange generations. We are lazy generations. We are folks who want riches, power and everything that goes with it. But we are NOT ready to work for it. Most of the time most of the people just talk about it, do lots of daydreaming, do some shallow planning and never activate the plan. Why? The answer is simple but yet painful: whole humanity-we are just bunch of LAZY KIDS! We just talk about winning! We announce winning but never achieve it. The reason for this: we are afraid from failing. Even though we are grown ups, we are still acting like little kids, which when fall down start to cry and scream not because they are hurt but because they are programmed that if they cry and scream their parents will come running and pull them up and then hold tightly in their loving arms and get them home, where is warm and safe.

But the reality is totally opposite. Our parents are not here to provide safety. They are not here to pull us up when we fall. We must learn to do it ourselves. And even though its totally the opposite in the reality, most of the people negate this fact and continue to act like little lazy kids: they take credits from bank to buy things that they don't really need, without thinking how are they going to get the loan back. They just sign the paper, grab the money, pay for the thing, feel happy for few minutes and then, when month after a month they see how much from their payroll they pay to the bank (the longer the period for paying - the bigger the amount for interest they give away).

Its quite better if they, instead taking bank loan, to be patient and work till they collect the amount of money they need and buy the wanted thing in cash (there are stores which give discount when customers pays with cash-so this is making the situation even better).

So how all the written above is connected with roulette? It is. Just like everything else on this f***ing world is interconnected, this is directly connected with roulette playing. Somewhere in the beginning of this thread, I've mentioned that winning 2.5% from bankroll per session is good enough. Some of you agreed with me, most of you don't. I'm sorry that I'll write this, but I must write it:
if you think that growing your bankroll for 2.5% per session is small amount then you are not professional roulette player - you are a gambler. Yes, plain and simple. If you go to the casino and plan to grow you bankroll for 25 or 50% or even doubling your bankroll every time you enter the casino, then you are in deep deep trouble. I'm sorry in advance for all the problems and tough times that you and your family are going to get through because this bad behavior of yours.

What if this same mindset was possessed from the professional traders on the Stock exchange? What if the professional sports bettors had this mindset? They won't be called professional trader and sports bettor but GAMBLERS. Why I've mentioned these two professions? Because I got some little experience in the first and little more in the second and I'm able to write about it.

Have you ever thought how are the traders making their profits? Many connect traders with the character from the "Wolf from Wall Street" but in reality its little different. Yes, there are cases where speculations are taking place, but most of the time it is the free market that form the share prices. Professional traders make their profits in two ways:
1) dividend yield (big players do this)
2) difference in share prices (buy low - sell high) - this is used mostly.
What are professional traders actually doing?
They connect to their accounts from where they manage their portfolios. After that they start to collect data about companies. After they've collected the data, they analyze and choose where to invest. They are investing in shares which they expect that the share price will grow in the near future. They are never investing in shares from just one company: they diversify the risk by buying shares from multiple companies, from 10 to 100, some of them buys even more. Example: Lets say that they invested in 20 companies. They bought 50 shares from each company and each of the shares was 100 dollars worth. Total investment: 100.000 dollars. They expect in one month to see rise in the prices of all the shares that they possess, but they KNOW with certainty that they can't win 100% of the time. After one month, the share price of 10 companies rose from 100 to 130 and they used this positive trend and sold them, the share price of 5 companies dropped down from 100 to 80 so they've decided to sell them too to cover potential big loses and they let the shares from the remaining 5 companies because their price was stable and there was potential for a rise in next month. If you do the maths, you'll notice that the portfolio from the initial 100.000 dollars now is worth 110.000 dollars and it grew for 10% in a month. Honestly, 10% profit in professional trading is considered huge because of the big amounts of money that are in play. But what if the traders possessed that "get rich" mindset that most of us, roulette players possess? They'll analyze and pick one company. They will buy 1.000 shares from that company and invest all 100.000 dollars in that company. And, if they've chosen right, the price will go up and they will make profits. But if they've chosen wrong they will lose big money. That's why they diversify the risk and don't try to bite more than they can chew.

How are the things in the sports betting? Different bettor have different approach in sports betting. In the following I'm going to write about one approach that is used by most of the bettors across the globe. Its the "54%" rule. Following this rule: all it takes for one bettor to be successful is to pick his picks right 54% of the time (single picks with minimum odd 1.90). If he manages to pick 54% right, then he will achieve profit in that betting season. Did I mention "season"? Yes I do! Actually in sports betting the professional bettor is interested in the overall result of the bankroll at the end of the season then the mid-season result. They know there will be ups and downs and all they care about is picking right 54% of the time. Everything below this number is bad business and everything beyond this number is a reason plus to stay committed to what he is already doing - because obviously he is doing the right thing. Example: The bettor is expert in NBA and pays subscriptions for NHL and MLB picks. All in all he has 1.500 picks in one year (betting season) total. He and the guys selling him picks manages to pick right 57% of the time. The situation at the end of the season is like this: 1.500 bets X 100 dollars per bet = 150.000 dollars. 1.500 bets X 0.57 = 855 winners. 855 winners X 1.90 X 100 = 162.450 won - 150.000 = 12.450 dollars profit - 2.000 for subscriptions = 10.450 dollars net profit. Why I've mentioned professional sports bettor here? Because they are never putting all the initial bankroll on just one bet. Most of the time they diversify the risk with betting only 1-2.5% from the bank and the big players put this number even lower - 0.25%-0.5% from the bankroll (this is the only way to ensure the get alive after a bad streak of more then 100 consecutive losing bets).

What most of the roulette players need is adopting a new mindset. They must start looking on the wheel with more respect. They must be patient and implement lots of hard thinking. The 2.5% growing of initial bankroll is much less then 25 or 50% growing the bankroll but it is much easier to achieve and involve less stress. Plus take a look on the story about that guy from Asia: his session goal ranged from 1-3 units or 0.63%-1.89% and with low session goal like this he managed to grow his bankroll from 800K to 1.200K (for 50%) in little more then one month.

Just a little hint: add one more bankroll (instead 2 X 80 units, use 3 X 80 units, just in case) and lower the unit size from 5000 to 50 or 100 dollars and you'll make 30 units X 50 or 100 dollars = 1.500 or 3.000 dollars in profits per month. Not that bad a? :)

And the final conclusion:
even if you still haven't found the all-the-time winning approach, maybe you have discovered the very best next to it approach. What is the very best next to it approach? The one that brings even a little more then the final bust of the bankroll. What do I mean with this? I mean the approach that earns you more then the amount of your bankroll before your initial bankroll is busted. Example: if you have found an approach which earns you +1.050 dollars before losing the initial 1.000 dollars then you have a winning approach with 105% ROI, and even though this 105% is very little - little by little it piles up and from 1.050 dollars they can grow to 1.102 dollars and after that to 1.157 dollars and then to 1.215 dollars etc.

After all: roulette is not a sprint - its a marathon.

All the best,
=GNO=
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2015, 07:39:16 AM »
Hi GNO
The guy you referred to who was banned from a casino in the UK was PROBABLY Balvinder Sambhi. You should know that he is a  seller of a "large " progression system. Some who bought his system said it was rubbish.You sometimes have to wait for ages before having a bet. Casinos do not , as a matter of policy, give reasons for anyone being banned so any claims of being banned for winning should be treated with caution, particularly claims by  system sellers .
Which leads me to your Asian winner. If six wins in a row for any dozen takes a long time how long do you need to wait before betting ? His idea may be profitable but any ONE individual may NEVER see six in a row .Patience may be a virtue but for anyone who likes a gamble  there are limits. Personally,  I will never adopt a strategy that might mean that I do not have even ONE bet the whole evening . Would you ? Really ?

Hey @Scepticus. Sorry about this late response. About the UK winner, thats him. I've heard that he was selling a book in which he explains his system, but because personally I don't believe that anyone is going to sell something that is profitable I never tried to find out anything else about this guy. Plus, even if he was banned from that casino, there are at least two thousand more across the globe where he can use his system and earn. :) I thought the same that you've mentioned: no matter what was the reason for he to get banned, he used it to get publicity and sell his book.

About the Asian guy, this is a approach that he was using and he was quite successful with it. Personally, currently I wouldn't use this too because I'm young and quite busy person and don't have the required time to sit and wait for 6 repeats on the dozens (sometimes it will happen right in the beginning, but most of the time it won't). But this is great system for the unemployed or the old and retired which honestly don't do anything and most of the time in the day they spend in front of the TV. This way they can spend their days in the casino, enjoy eating and drinking the free lunches and drinks, chatting with other players and stuff and all this without big risk for their bankroll (honestly, if you take a closer look on this system especially the modified approach with 3 X 80 units instead of the 2 X 80 units, you'll realize that it has big potential and might be long-term winner.).

Have a profitable day,
=GNO=
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2015, 09:17:19 AM »
GNO I am old and retired and adicted to the roulette since many years. My study of all the in and outs of the roulette gives me a lot pleasure. My knowledge of programming is a very good help.
I have my casino on walk distance and sometimes I play every day. Yes I have the privilege of free drinks.

I play roulette like chess.  The table has 157 different chances. The manner how you play is infinite.
Roulette is a game nothing more or less.