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GameNeverOver

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Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« on: June 03, 2015, 11:24:08 PM »
I'm sorry that there are lots of people out there (mostly AP/VB players and plain gamblers) that won't agree with this statement.

The problem with all these guys is that they have never taken the required time to sit down, cut all the distractions around them and make some deep thinking about this "mysterious" game (better known as roulette).

So, lets try to get the things clearer in few steps, using the question/answer approach.

1)Is roulette beatable?
-Yes it is.
Actually there are a lot of guys in the world that are making good amounts from playing on roulette. Most of these guys remain hidden from us (the reasons are simple: they don't want to get noticed and to answer all those silly questions on which they will never give honest answers. Why? Because noone is never going to sell his golden mine.) and those that we hear about are guys that are not easily approachable (talk-to-the-hand type).

2)How?
-With lots of patience.
The only way to make money on the roulette is by acquiring patience, lots of it. You need to perceive this game like your job and have predetermined win goal (lets say 1/5/20/100/500/1000 units per session). You need to be able to sit still and watch all those spins running in front of your eyes and wait till your trigger appears and then you start wagering. You also need a decent bankroll and honest expectations. Ex. if you have 10.000 dollars and expect to make 5000 dollars or even doubling your bank per session, then you are pushing it too much. This way you are heading to disaster. But on the other side, if you put some reasonable goals like 250 dollars profit per session, this is more realistic. If you use this small profit goal, in one year (with recalculating your profit goal every time your bankroll is doubled) you can turn these 10 K into more then 1 million dollars. How? With 250 dollars per session you will double your bankroll in 40 sessions - turn it to 20.000. In the next 40 sessions you are going to double it again - turn it to 40.000. Etc etc. All in all you can easily have 300 sessions in one year, thus you can double your initial bankroll 7.5 times (till the seventh doubling your 10.000 will become 1.280.000 dollars).

3)Do i know any kind of system that is winner 100% of the time?
-Yes, I do but I'm not going to share it - the taste of victory is sweeter when you fought the battle alone. ;)

4)AP or system playing?
-Definitely system playing. AP playing is fiction.

5)Is it required to be statistics expert to succeed in this job?
-No. Not at all actually. Lots of guys end up lost in all those statistics, then variations, then randomness, then that, then this and in the end all they find is why this think is not working. So they have never thought how to make something work - they are trying to find ways to prove why something won't work and they did just that. If they tried opposite - they'll get opposite (positive) results.

6)RNG or Live Wheel Online Roulette?
-Neither. Both are crooked. Both are using different ways to ensure their profits.

7)If we can't win there, what is the guarantee that we can win in B&M casinos?
-Only in the reputable B&M casinos where lots of money goes in and out (more in then out) every day you can be sure that they won't be dishonest and won't try to cheat you in either way. These guys are big players. These casinos have hundreds of thousand or even millions gamblers visiting them every year. If each of them is losing approx. 100 dollars per day, it wouldn't make any difference if you and few others like you win few hundred or thousand each in that day. Plus these casinos are used to launder drug money and if they cheat on a customer and get caught in the process, they will lose much more then the money from the visitors which pass by each year. We are talking big money here.

All the best,
=GNO=


 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 03:31:30 AM »
   

1)Is roulette beatable?
-Yes it is.
A

2)How?
-With lots of patience.
The only way to make money on the roulette is by acquiring patience, lots of it.  You need to be able to sit still and watch all those spins running in front of your eyes and wait till your trigger appears and then you start wagering. 

All the best,
=GNO=

Hi GNO,
What u said are the truth.
If we play all spins, we will lose to the variance and edge.

What we really need to understand is there limit to any sequence, and only wait for trigger to bet the most probability outcome could win money.
Thanks for your article.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 03:01:58 PM »

4)AP or system playing?
-Definitely system playing. AP playing is fiction.


Yesterday you put quite some effort into telling us that AP must be bunk because otherwise AP players wouldn't waste time on forums trying to persuade others that systems don't work, they would be at the casino making millions.

Now it seems that you have a winning system, but you are still here wasting time on a forum trying to persuade others that AP doesn't work, when you could be at the casino making millions.

So by your own logic, your behaviour is illogical and systems are bunk.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 03:09:24 PM »
Mike. Are you by any chance Mike Mc Bain ?
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 03:15:40 PM »
Mike. Are you by any chance Mike Mc Bain ?
What kind of file is this? It doesn't appear a text or doc file.
 

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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 03:59:39 PM »
Mike. Are you by any chance Mike Mc Bain ?

No, my last name is Newton (no relation to Isaac that I know of).
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2015, 04:26:52 PM »
Hi kav
I tried to start a new thread but could not paste it so tried to send it as an attachment.
I sent you a message as to how to do this.
So I'll ask again here. If I use Word how do I post it to the forum ? Copy and post doesn't seem to work.
 I don't know how the attachment was made to my inquiry to Mike.I didn't attach it .I can only think that it being in my computer it attached itself to the next post - my query to Mike.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2015, 06:59:32 PM »
I don't get this kind of person that says "I have a method to win but I am not sharing it ."

If you dont want to share , just don't brag about it .

Don't make the life harder for others that tries to win , but are unsuccesfull .

AND you don't lose nothing if you share ( that if you are not cheating , then I understand) .

Peace 
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 08:44:59 PM »
It depends on your point of view, Maes.
There can be no guarantee of any system, method  or strategy winning forever .
Consider , though . ,if you had a method that was profitable over a long period and told " The Whole World " about it . If they used it then they also would win and it wouldn't  be long before casinos were out of business.So, as the saying goes, " why kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs . 
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 08:56:22 PM »
Maybe I am the wierdo here.To answer the question : I would give the system for free.

Be rich and anonymous , instead rich and famous.(because you will win some money before they go out of business , or come with a anti -system )
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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 09:56:37 PM »

Hi GNO,
What u said are the truth.
If we play all spins, we will lose to the variance and edge.

What we really need to understand is there limit to any sequence, and only wait for trigger to bet the most probability outcome could win money.
Thanks for your article.

Hi there Weird.
With this mindset of yours I sense that you are very, very close to finding that approach/system which will bring you constant profits, again and again. And when you do, you'll understand what I've meant when I wrote "the taste of victory is sweeter when you fought the battle alone".
 

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2015, 10:52:16 PM »
Yesterday you put quite some effort into telling us that AP must be bunk because otherwise AP players wouldn't waste time on forums trying to persuade others that systems don't work, they would be at the casino making millions.

Now it seems that you have a winning system, but you are still here wasting time on a forum trying to persuade others that AP doesn't work, when you could be at the casino making millions.

So by your own logic, your behaviour is illogical and systems are bunk.

Yesterday, today, tomorrow - every day I'm going to tell you and everybody else  that AP sucks. Yes, it sucks big time. :) I'm not trying to insult you, neither someone else. Let me now be a gentleman and answer your questions. :)

"Now it seems that you have e winning system"
The winning approach (I call it approach) is not from now. I am using it for more then six months now and from the moment I've tested it on paper for the first time and through all the sessions I've played till now never let me down, not even once. :)
You asked "why I'm here? Why I'm wasting time?"
First of all: this is not wasting time for me.
1) Maybe you've noticed (but probably not) I'm not english native talker. So by writing on english I'm working on perfecting it.
2) Meeting new people - SMART PEOPLE. There is one thing that you, like AP player will never understand: all that thinking, remembering and calculating that one system player do while waiting for his trigger, makes him smarter. Every system player must (mostly in the beginning) felt the strong headaches from all that thinking that he does while playing. That is his brain working (out) hard. I've noticed that after I've started playing roulette I'm thinking faster then the average person, my memory is at least 2 times better (I remember the tiniest details), became faster and better decision maker etc.
3) THE MOST IMPORTANT: I'm here because someone must balance out the things - ALWAYS. There are lots of people on every roulette forum which are lazy to think and find ways to make profits from roulette but are always in the mood to kill off the desire to SUCCEED of the new roulette players. Let me "paint" it with words to show you how it is when you and all the rest of your AP friends start to spit on someone who is actually new in this game:
This guy/girl was playing roulette few times. Won some - lose some. Loved the feeling - that feeling of being alive. But after a while, s/he got hooked. By days became restless - by nights sleepless. So this boy/girl get opsessed over the game - precisely over beating this game. But everytime s/he tried - everytime s/he lost his/her money. (I'll use he/his in further writing). After few consecutive loses, this human being started to feel hopeless. His losses totaled were scary big. He needed something to get his money back. He needed an advice. Or strategy. Or whatever works. He surfs on the www and finds few systems: one is 500$, other three are free. He is broke, so he tries the three free systems. Tries each of them - all three fail. He is in deeper s*** now. Somehow manages to find that 500$ and pays for the system. The system (AS YOU GUESS) is BS. His hole is deeper and darker then ever. After this he distances himself from the world and live through his first bigger depression. Somehow he manages to swim out of the dark sea, and again start to surf the www. This time he is smarter: he skips all the ads for WINNING ROULETTE SYSTEMS. He finds the roulette forums. Read through the articles and see that 99% of the posts are negative, people arguing, people swearing each other, calling each other dumbf***s, uglyngs, zeamans, uglybranchhappytreefriends, and didn't find anything useful. After a while, he finally decides to register to the forum and start communicating and learning. But no: every time he asks something, 99% of all the members start to negate, start to repeat: ROULETTE IS UNBEATABLE, THERE IS NO WAY TO WIN ON ROULETTE, or the worst of all AP IS THE ONLY WAY! So, this young human being is totally confused and dissapointed. He sees all those senior members with their thousands of posts (without knowing that most of these posts are just negating, repeating the "HE WILL BEAT YOU" or "GAMBLERS FALLACY" and nothing else and says to himself: "They are older and have way more exp. in this game. They must be right. There is no way to make money from this game." All his dreams are crushed. His deep and dark hole in his heart remains open and haunts him till the rest of his life. I'm here for these folks Mike. I'm here to motivate them. I'm here to encourage them to use the brain and THINK VERY DEEP AND HARD.

=GNO=

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2015, 11:07:07 PM »
I don't get this kind of person that says "I have a method to win but I am not sharing it ."

If you dont want to share , just don't brag about it .

Don't make the life harder for others that tries to win , but are unsuccesfull .

AND you don't lose nothing if you share ( that if you are not cheating , then I understand) .

Peace

I'm not bragging. I'm just saying that its possible. And if its possible for me - its possible for you and for everybody else.

I'm not selling this approach, nor sharing it. From personal experiences I've learned that noone is trustable and every time when you feel safe and tell a secret or something important to someone, that someone always share that thing with someone third and that third person with someone else etc..and in the end your deep secret became public secret.

I've written that to encourage you and everybody else to keep working and thinking because the roulette is beatable and the key ingredient in the process of beating the wheel is PATIENCE.
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2015, 11:25:07 PM »
It depends on your point of view, Maes.
There can be no guarantee of any system, method  or strategy winning forever .
Consider , though . ,if you had a method that was profitable over a long period and told " The Whole World " about it . If they used it then they also would win and it wouldn't  be long before casinos were out of business.So, as the saying goes, " why kill the Goose that lays the Golden Eggs .

You've nailed it. :)
 

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Re: Roulette Wheel is Beatable
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2015, 09:55:59 AM »
GameNeverOver,

It's ok to talk about balance, but what about the truth? As grown-ups, we should at least attempt to give reasoned arguments and/or some evidence for our assertions, don't you think?

You are clearly not qualified to talk about the efficacy or otherwise of AP methods, but you still dogmatically insist that they are a fantasy, even though they are all based on the actual physics of the game, rather than mere statistics. If you are thinking deeply, you will realize that the physics comes first, then the statistics. The physics has already taken place before you can count the statistics, and you cannot always deduce the physics from the statistics, except in the case of severely biased wheels which these days are extremely rare. More refined and sophisticated techniques are needed, which you obviously know nothing about.

And you are assuming that I am against systems because I just "believe" what the mathematicians are saying, but in the beginning, I spent quite a lot of time and effort researching various systems based on triggers, patterns, and progressions, but was not satisfied with any of them. Someone else might have been though, and there is always an element of subjectivity based on an individual's tolerance for risk, but for me, the risk-reward ratio was too great, and I'm not a gambler.

For anyone contemplating roulette as a source of income (not just fun), they should be aware that there are two fundamentally different approaches. If they are wise, they will read up, from an UNBIASED source, on the history of the game, learn what has been tried, and what has failed. A good start is the Wikipedia article on Roulette.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette

What they should not do is to take too seriously the various claims of those put forward on roulette forums, and certainly not of those who are selling methods or systems, and that includes AP methods. There are scammers in the AP world as well as the systems world. The great thing about roulette is, you can do your own research. If you are making profits on paper, and the methods are based on sound principles, you can be fairly confident that you have something of value, but if the principles are flawed, it's likely that your results are due to luck.

There's no need to endlessly reinvent the wheel (if you'll excuse the pun) and discover over and over that certain techniques don't work.

Sure, have an open mind, but I recommend any newbie to START with researching AP, not systems. Once on the system treadmill it can be hard to get off, there's always one more tweak to try, one more angle. There is truly an infinite number of systems, because statistics can be manipulated in an infinite number of ways.

On the other hand, physics describes the way the world actually IS. The laws of physics as applied to roulette are comparatively few in number and are quite simple. This apparent limitation is a good thing, because it narrows down the possible number of "systems" which are possible. Randomness has no limits, but physics (as applied to roulette) does.

A good forum which focuses on AP is here:

http://rouletteplace.com/
You can find well written posts on roulette physics and visual ballistics, dealer signature etc. Of course there are disagreements, but that's the nature of a forum.

Best of luck.
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