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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2017, 02:59:13 PM »
I like your system very much Rinad and studying the best way to implement it with my spin history. some remarks first :
1) after 38 spins without hitting your number you count the -5 if split hit in this counting ? So spin 38 is a virtual total and can be 60-70 ?
2) if after 38 spins you don't hit the main number you continue the progression at spin39 step or you go back to 1 ?
3) if it happens you gain your 200 units just hitting splits you don't continue chasing your main number ?
4) when you talk about ratio 1:2 is it keeping split bet always 2 times the betting amount of the main number bet so 8 4 8 for example in the progression ? I suppose playing that way can help and makes you a winner even if your main number sleeps the entire game.
5) the total progression of 61 spins is using 685 units, I suppose
[size=78%]it's very rare to never hit a number in the street for 61 spins but we know it can happen. If we don't hit main or split at spin 38 we switch anyway I imagine ?[/size]

Now some other ideas I'm trying :
1) did you already extended your bet selection to 2 streets so 6 numbers in total in order to minimize the sleeper effect ? Of course need of a big bankroll or shorter progression.
2) I had another idea to play the streets differently than on the board for example when it's a number in column 3 keep the table layout streets but when it's first and second column number bet the adjacent numbers in the column so a street column. Exception at the border if number 1 is selected we play split 1-2/1-4. Same logic for the other 3.
3) Another idea I got is to extend this system playing 5 numbers in total in a star way always the concept of a main number and the layout street + the 2 adjacent numbers in the column. again in the idea to minimize the sleeper street effect.
4) I'm not a big believer in hot number and bet selection so I use usually a random bet generator to choose the numbers for me (so my brain is not influenced in any way). do you have the feeling that selecting like you do gives you a better advantage at the end than selecting random ?
Édit : so just saw on another topic that you saw there's an advantage to skip to hot numbers so maybe is it a better plan to track constantly to the hot street/hot number ? How are you selecting when you come at the table ? Track last streets, track a repeater then bet the street of this repeater ?

Thanks.

Jerome.

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2017, 10:01:54 PM »
I like your system very much Rinad and studying the best way to implement it with my spin history. some remarks first :
1) after 38 spins without hitting your number you count the -5 if split hit in this counting ? So spin 38 is a virtual total and can be 60-70 ?
2) if after 38 spins you don't hit the main number you continue the progression at spin39 step or you go back to 1 ?
3) if it happens you gain your 200 units just hitting splits you don't continue chasing your main number ?
4) when you talk about ratio 1:2 is it keeping split bet always 2 times the betting amount of the main number bet so 8 4 8 for example in the progression ? I suppose playing that way can help and makes you a winner even if your main number sleeps the entire game.
5) the total progression of 61 spins is using 685 units, I suppose
[size=78%]it's very rare to never hit a number in the street for 61 spins but we know it can happen. If we don't hit main or split at spin 38 we switch anyway I imagine ?[/size]

Now some other ideas I'm trying :
1) did you already extended your bet selection to 2 streets so 6 numbers in total in order to minimize the sleeper effect ? Of course need of a big bankroll or shorter progression.
2) I had another idea to play the streets differently than on the board for example when it's a number in column 3 keep the table layout streets but when it's first and second column number bet the adjacent numbers in the column so a street column. Exception at the border if number 1 is selected we play split 1-2/1-4. Same logic for the other 3.
3) Another idea I got is to extend this system playing 5 numbers in total in a star way always the concept of a main number and the layout street + the 2 adjacent numbers in the column. again in the idea to minimize the sleeper street effect.
4) I'm not a big believer in hot number and bet selection so I use usually a random bet generator to choose the numbers for me (so my brain is not influenced in any way). do you have the feeling that selecting like you do gives you a better advantage at the end than selecting random ?
Édit : so just saw on another topic that you saw there's an advantage to skip to hot numbers so maybe is it a better plan to track constantly to the hot street/hot number ? How are you selecting when you come at the table ? Track last streets, track a repeater then bet the street of this repeater ?

Thanks.

Jerome.
Jerome, you are right to said that because of going back after a split it, the spins become virtual since you are adding more spins. the idea is to add spins to the strategy.
many times you can hit your target and only do it with many splits and 1 main number hit. I just call it quit if I have my target profit. because i play tables if i am playing for 100/150 spins and do not hit 200$ but 80/150$ i stop too.
i never want to play more then 200 spins in 1 session.
today as a example I made 150$ in 1 hour and half so i stoped.
next session was harder and made 70$ in that same time so i stopped as well. (went to lunch)
third session I won another 180$ in 1 hour this time, i am on brake now .
to answer another question when you passed 21 spins, and go up in recovery, anytime you hit your main number you always go back to spin 1. (you should of recoup your whole amount always or close to it when hitting the main number)
we can play 2 clusters and it works just as well, but it takes more bookeeping so be carefull.
there is many ways to play clusters.
your idea to play 5 numbers, even 4 numbers are totally doable. even a street can be done.
the hot streets with a hottest number in that street is what i do, simply because i get more wins.
i know many players dont agreed but i see the difference in my winning ratio. that is the only reason Jerome.
what if i am wrong about that? no one will lose more by doing it.
what if i am right about that ? many will lose a lot more.   (which is better? takes more tracking but it is worth it!)
this game is so mental that it is nuts sometime. today i was many,many times on the hottest street, but was not on the hottest number in that street because i was doubting myself so i picked the second best main number in that street. sure enough i cant tell you how many times i was sorry i was not following the system to the tooth.
i really have to be mechanical and not deviate from my rules.
i play the street and because i play not always the meedle number i have a chart that takes care of that. it is all the same. what i learned is to not be too agressive with it. the wins will always come soon or later, and you have to be patient because i can be in recovery for a long time.
you can create other ways to play clusters. you dont always have to do a 2 to 1 ratio if you wish. when i know i have been on a long dry spell, like 80 spins without hitting a main number, and then get a hit, i will be playing a little more on my main number for the next 38 spins,expecting a other hit, because i know that this cycle hits more then anyother. - - - - +(+).
so i keep track of my 38 spins cycles as well, but i dont want to confuse too much about this method. it is endless.
when i come to the table i right down the last 6 streets, 1/4/6/12/6/4/   , then i pick that hottest one with the main number,(hottest also), and play. i have all my street numbers on the right side of my 3x5 card, (3 numbers horizontaly, then next row under it) .  left side of the card i right my numbers just to keep track of how many spins,numbers i am playing in colums of 12 always,(easier to count). my second card is my progression card that i look only when i have to, right underneath, (dont want to take too much room)
Jerome one suggestion is to enter a second cluster 20 spins after the first one if that first one is behind. like sending another troup to help that first one.
new ideas are always welcome brother,
best,
Rinad
 
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2017, 03:47:06 PM »
Thanks Rinad,

i really think there's a lot to work around this system and try for improvement (or not). Yesterday i tried in real money your system with units of 0,5 euros on european online live wheel.
I applied your system from the box the way you explained it except that i switched after not hitting the main number for 38 spins to another main number and street without taking account of the splits hits. I had very good results for this first session. i played continually for around 3 hours and already selected in advance 4 spots so 4 numbers randomly.
I played in total 3 games with the last one that was the longer with 2 spots after i didn't catch my main number after 38 spins. Stop win at 200 units profit.
total result of the session of 3 games : +646 units. so 323 euros for my unit size.
The last game was close to bust i was at step 58 of the progression playing street 10 and main number 29, in fact i hate this tenth street cause 28 and 29 are so close to each other and i have the feeling this street can sleep more than usual due to that fact. And number 7 inside both 28/29 was hitting constantly and made me mad... the 3rd game was this kind of strange game i started to hit easily my main number and some spins and i was very quickly at +180 units and failed to had the 20 more needed to close the game so suddenly all hits were close to my numbers with only one split hit in 38 spins. Finally i was lucky enough to hit the 29 and finish the game at step 58.
1st and second game were quite fast, first one finished at 25-26 step and second one was never going more than step 15.
what's my impression of this first session :
- maybe it was better to close the 3rd game sooner when i had the 180 profit after 10 minutes.
- the game is quite easy to follow, just keep track of the spins number and your hits and check your total balance.
- the progression/game is adaptable and you can decide easily your exit point.
- after 3 sessions 3 wins so i'm little bit more secured now if i have to face my first loss.
- i liked the fact that i chosed my numbers before and so not get 'psychologically' influenced by the outcome of the wheel and previous spins history.
- I really like this system and will continue to experience it and work aside to develop maybe new ideas around it, you're right Rinad playing 2 clusters is more complex due to the fact that a hit on main number will probably not bring you all the time to step 1 and will make the system more difficultl to play and follow...

Rinad how many games you win in average compared to your losing games, do you have a relevant history ?

Jerome.

 

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2017, 04:32:00 PM »


 Jerome i began playing this cluster method 2 years ago , with rx, live spins, and live tables in a casino.
i have on record around 800 sessions.
i played a 3 to 1 ratio needing 600$ at the 5$ level. i rarely lost 3 sessions in a row,and never lost 4 in a row.
so playing at that ratio i need 5 times my losing bank as a life time bankroll. 5x600= 3000 $.
every 50 sessions you should get 43 wins and 7 losses, roughly.
i also like to play a 2 to 1 ratio . win 200 or lose 400. because when i lose a couple of those i can bumped my base bet to a 8$ unit , and then even a 10$ unit base bet, so that during winning seasons i hit my main number at a higher rate then just 103 $ at the 5 $ level. it is a choice. i juggle a lot, personal choice, because i like to come home with something for my hours at the tables.  if i win more then i should i droped down to a lower level as well.
i know by playing it for so long that it makes profit.
when i win 180 $ in the first 15 minutes, i like to stop the session, or continued with a lower base bet. you dont always have to win 200$, because the nature of this game is that wins come in a very unexpected way. like this morning i would only hit the main number in my cluster but never hit a split bet, but that happends a lot, and that is why i like to follow the "leader" in my 3 number pick. nothing wrong with changing a split winning number and turn it into your main number if that happens.
i was in recovery for 1 1/2 hours this morning, left at 0, even game, because everytime my main number hit it was only to recover my losses. but this is the thing to be aware of;
when you can cover your losses you know that even know you dont have a profit, it is just a matter of time before the wins catches up with you. IT IS AS GOOD AS WINNING. IT IS LIKE A IOU. just cant cash it right now, but THE ODDS OWES YOU THOSE UNITS. SURE OF THAT.
so yes there are many ways to play clusters but i dont want to make it too complicated either. maybe 2 to 3 ways to play it would suffice in my book.
5 out of 6 games should be winners with a 3 to 1 win ratio.
keep me posted, i will.
best,
Rinad
 

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2017, 06:01:37 PM »
Rinad, 

thanks again for your reply, it's impressive stats if it's long term. 5/6 wins has to be considers as a good winning system. So a good money management and strict attitude will do the trick to be EV+ in the long term. I like the fact that we don't need a huge bankroll for this system and the fact some hits make us gaining time to catch the good one that will give a profit. Playing a street that will never show for 61 spins it can happen but it will be a very rare event when we are at the table. First it has to appear just in the timing of your game session then it should be the street you are playing on at that moment. It's a fact when we analyse histories of outcomes everything can happen and extremes but what's the chance that this rare occurrence will just start at the first spin that you play this particular event ?
I realized the histories are good for analysis but not used for practical game. if you have a good system with good strategy and appropriate money management the ratio win/loss can be in our favor whatever the wheel can produce.
what i would like is to add another bet or two on some other events to gain even more spins if the street we play is missing for very long time. It could be like playing the last number spunned (playing a repeater) & maybe the zero. What's the chance in a session of 61 spins there will be no number in your street, no repeater and no zero ?
the drawback is the bankroll needed and at the end maybe the results will be worse, or a compromise must be found that a hit on the main number will not give direct profit; anyway we never expect to have just one hit on our main number if we expect a 200 units profit any game.
The idea beside that is to make the game a little faster and have profit or loss quicker. At the end it could be EV+ in term of $/time spent at the table.

jerome.
 

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2017, 06:59:43 PM »
99.42% to get a hit on the first try. 
99.90% chance to have your street or a zero in 61 spins. 
100% chance of having a repeater in 61 spins <=== O_o who says there isn't certainty in roulette!?

I suppose you mean a back to back repeater, huh?  That will be slightly less than the chances for the zero.
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2017, 12:16:35 AM »
Reyth:

You know, I rather like the set-up, utilizing the 0-1-2-3. It is both simple and elegant. It is reminiscent of Freeman's 40,000 Spins, and his method of a primary wager, along with a secondary wager that serves to buy more spins until the primary number hits.

Inspired by your post, I set up a similar configuration for the American wheel, putting one chip on 00-2-3, 00-0-2 and 0-1-2. I am going to try to test it to see how it works out.

Regards,

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2017, 04:00:36 AM »


   i encourage anyone to play this cluster method to their style of play. it is boring to play 3 or 4 numbers, no doubt.
but the positive side to it is that there is always time to hunt for other opportunities.
example' ; this morning when i was playing 3 numbers, and at the same time keeping up with marking down the streets, I saw that street number 4 had not hit for 50 spins. so i decided to play that sleeper street, but doing it for less money. i think that it is of uttmost importance. you dont want that secondary play to be a drawdown if it does not work out. so i dont mind having side bets.
but in the past i made the mistake to get sucked in by side bets so you better do them on a "helping" the main cluster and keep them where it belongs.
as long as they can be treated as such, it is okay but you dont want to make the mistake of making side bets a main part of the system, or they will become the system, and then you wont know what hit you when you lose it all.
what happens when you play live is very different then at home. real money makes you see a game very differentely. some how playing a "slow and boring" game seem to buildt a patience in me that no fast game can do.
it helps you keep it cool and not becoming emotional when things go south, because it gives me time to talk to myself internaly about what is going on. it is 90% mental.
you can play a 0/00 cluster and slowly raise a bet after 19 spins if no hit. same principal. to meet the minimum bet if it 5$, and you like to be very conservative, place 2 units on high, 2 units on low, 50 cents on 0, and 50 cents on 00/0 split.  know a friends who does that and that only and been cleaning up at the wheel. but again he is very patient. that way the 00/0 dont hurt you much at all since you get paid when they hit.
i like the biases and hot numbers because i lose less sessions that way. buying more spins until your number hits is the fondation of this cluster method.
a double street can be played the same way. hit more often, but less. it is all relative. i like to hit less times with better pay off. my personal preference. less risk taken the better. each run taken is a risktaken. remember that.
if i play to hit a 3 number cluster i will only need to take 4 runs a the most.
if i decide to play a double street cluster it will take me 10 runs in order to achieve my goal.
i rather take the risk of 4 runs as opose to 10. i learned the hard way, unless you are willing to make big bets playing a double street so you can be good in 4 runs,4 attacks.
it is all good, as long as you control your game.
God bless,
Rinad.
 
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2017, 02:32:13 AM »
Being that I was bummed out about Elton John getting sick this week and cancelling my trip to Vegas for the weekend, I decided to login to my online casino and try out your method tonight for real money, Rinad.

You are right, it is definitely slow, but wow, is it powerful. During my initial testing I didn't keep good track of spin count, I just saw the wins come in. I figured if it could work on RNG, it should work on a physical wheel as well, no problem.

The hottest number I saw on the board was 35...34 had popped up twice during my initial watch, so I started there.

I didn't get my main number of 35 in the 38 spins you suggested, so I moved on to the next hottest number 20. (then of course 35 hits within 10 spins, lol). 21 became really hot and I was able to recoup my losses pretty quickly as I had climbed all the way up to level 54 of the progression. I was sure that this thing was about to lose for me.

Then suddenly, 21 hit again. And again, and within 9 spins of 21 hitting, 20 hit, leaving me with a nice win and a smile on my face.

Start time: 8:37pm CST
End Time: 9:13 pm CST
Start Bankroll: $640.30
End Bankroll: $837.30
End Profit: $197.00

I am going to keep testing with this, using live spins. I can post my spins if it would help anyone out.

Thanks for this method, Rinad. I an see myself playing this in Vegas for a long, long time.

Should I post every time I play?

Edited to add it was real money!
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2017, 03:27:40 AM »
 

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2017, 03:49:23 AM »
Being that I was bummed out about Elton John getting sick this week and cancelling my trip to Vegas for the weekend, I decided to login to my online casino and try out your method tonight for real money, Rinad.

You are right, it is definitely slow, but wow, is it powerful. During my initial testing I didn't keep good track of spin count, I just saw the wins come in. I figured if it could work on RNG, it should work on a physical wheel as well, no problem.

The hottest number I saw on the board was 35...34 had popped up twice during my initial watch, so I started there.

I didn't get my main number of 35 in the 38 spins you suggested, so I moved on to the next hottest number 20. (then of course 35 hits within 10 spins, lol). 21 became really hot and I was able to recoup my losses pretty quickly as I had climbed all the way up to level 54 of the progression. I was sure that this thing was about to lose for me.

Then suddenly, 21 hit again. And again, and within 9 spins of 21 hitting, 20 hit, leaving me with a nice win and a smile on my face.

Start time: 8:37pm CST
End Time: 9:13 pm CST
Start Bankroll: $640.30
End Bankroll: $837.30
End Profit: $197.00

I am going to keep testing with this, using live spins. I can post my spins if it would help anyone out.

Thanks for this method, Rinad. I an see myself playing this in Vegas for a long, long time.

Should I post every time I play?

Edited to add it was real money!
great Job Will, keep it up!
please keep me posted, it will help everyone interested by the method.
RX,RNG, harder to win at, in my opinion. always do better live. but i can test 25 sessions in 2 hours or less and keep track of results, as well as live sessions. 200 units is not bad for 2 hours of play.
what was your drawdown ?  was it table or airball roulette ?
glad you won and it is always something to be proud of. can be difficult at time. even know it is slow, it gives me time to figure my accounting, what my next bet will be,ect...  even side bets sometime.
keep on posting results and ideas . all welcome.
best,
Rinad
 
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2017, 02:40:15 AM »

Well, still in love with this method, Rinad.

I made quick excel file to help keep track of hot streets and numbers; you can find it attached, and aptly named "Rinad's Theory" ;D 

(I tried to attach it, and wasn't allowed. I also tried posting a link which wasn't allowed either. Here's a picture of it, and I guess if you want the excel file you can PM me?)


I decided to give it a quick spin tonight to see if I could repeat last night's success. And all I can say was in 8 minutes I was up $114.00. I was so excited I decided to come here and tell you guys about it.

The excel file isn't pretty, and I can definitely make it look better, but it's functional and serves it's purpose for a 61 spin (assuming no split or main wins) session.

Anyway, I plugged the 12 numbers on the board into the excel file, found out that #10 was the hot number in the 4th street, so I made 10 my main number and 7 and 13 my splits.



Exactly 3 spins in I hit my main number for a net of $103. Two spins later I hit my 7 for a net of $31. I know lightning won't strike that quick that often, but man am I excited with what I've seen thus far.

Rinad, I also agree with you that I'd rather risk less and win more and sit and play at the table for hours. That's part of the fun in my opinion. Thanks for sharing this strategy with me. I'll be sure to keep playing at least once a day or so.

Start time: 9:15 CST
End Time: 9:23 CST
Start Bankroll: $837.30
End Bankroll: $951.30
End Profit: $114.00
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2017, 05:29:40 AM »
The easiest way to attach files to .zip them, otherwise you have to change the extension to .txt and instruct people how to change it back after downloading (change back from .txt to .xls).

Btw, I just remembered this and so I thought I would post it:

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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2017, 01:23:51 PM »


    I left a table that had hardly any repeat when i was playing at a live table. i was not seeing any streets repeating or numbers repeating. i took a 200 $ loss instead of going up in my progression and went to another casino.
i quickly made my money back and a extra 180$.  there is nothing wrong about abandoning ship if we feel the wheel is acting not in its "normal mode". plus too many players were coming to the table so i was going to get very slow spins only getting 40 spins per hour if that.
Will you are doing great. as you see, sessions dont have to last very long sometime. when i go play live, usualy once a week, i always play a losing session at home. i know 2 losses in a row dont happen often so why not losing 0$  on my laptop. always like doing that.
Reyth, your video is great, just watched it. wish the sound was higher. the 17/20 seem to be the most played number for some reason. 2 numbers like that can really be a "bomb" when you are moving up quickly and get the hits.
i played for fun something very similar this week when i took 20$ and made 3000$ making a 1chip bet on each number. i would add another chip every 12 spins no matter what until i showed a profit.
like a positive and a negative progression mixed together. (need a name for it).
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Re: Merge Street
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2017, 03:39:47 PM »
Thanks for the help, Reyth! I'll post the zip file here. This morning's session only had 4 hits...3 streets and one main (on level 52!)

I switched off my first number (13) at spin 38 and it never showed in my entire session. The ball kept wanting to go into my second number's pocket (24) but kept finding itself in 10 or 16 which drove me crazy haha.

Still loving this method, Rinad! You need to keep a level head about you and make sure that you don't second guess yourself. It's easy to think "Oh, I should've picked that number instead" but you can't do that to yourself. I've only played 3 sessions, and I know a loser will come soon, but I haven't been able to play as long as I have and been this excited. The only thing I worry about is being able to track the hot streets and numbers in my mind in a B&M casino, but I'm sure that will come in time.

If you need me to explain my methodology behind my excel file let me know. It's pretty basic, but I think it gets the job done. I'll make more improvements as I go.

I had to adjust the "Setup" column to automatically look up whatever spin you were on because when I would hit my split the online casino would move too fast for me to see where I should go next.

Start Time: 9:18am CST
End Time: 10:22 am CST
Start Bankroll: $951.30
End Bankroll: $1,052.30
Profit: $101.00

Edited for clarity.
 
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