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#### MrPerfect.

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2017, 03:58:01 PM »
@Reyth. In case you are wondering... it was valid approach to the problem of " expected hitts".
It's more easy to do empirical way then math one. Just collect data and monitore skips between hitts. Assuming you set your target zone ( numbers ) correctly ( bias or vb limmit), you can "expect" some hitts in given " time frame" ( amount of spins).
There will be limits of high probability frames ( amount of spins) where you can expect " sure hit" with specific probability higher then expectation.
Do not get confused, Dow.  Target in this case is high probability area or limits ( repetitions)in skips.
This is exactly the way to set up reliable triggers that worth something. Such a triggers can be verified empirically and retested in posterior data taking. Do not get freaked out about " taking spins out of sequence". You will need to focus only on spins that present conditions in play.
Good luck, Bro.

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2017, 06:32:50 PM »
You make a comment, Mr. P and it is not a criticism.
I make a comment and  it is a criticism .
Something wrong with your logic here Mr. Perfect  as with your looking for an advantage after you have already found it.

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2017, 07:42:10 PM »
to put it short. It's movable or migrating if you prefer.  That's why player need to adjust sometimes. Data is to determine if it is posible, conditions governing the moment will determine everything else.
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#### scepticus

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2017, 09:55:47 PM »

So your data does not determine that the wheel is biased ?
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2017, 10:13:04 PM »
It's not my data, Scepticus. It's what the wheel/ ball does. Data is perishable, you know.
Model that player does has to be able to change and adapt. Correlation is not answer for all players problems, it's just a part of the answer.  Times changed, wheels changed.... what was working long ago is nor suitable anymore. Players have to change as well.
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2017, 11:12:27 PM »

If it is not  your data then why collect data ?
You seem confused Mr. P
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2017, 12:19:32 PM »
The truth is... confusion is all yours. I sudjest you take some data to understand....
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2017, 05:27:21 PM »
The Gambler's Fallacy is believing that past spins have a bearing on future spins .Isn't that what you are doing here - Analysing past spins ?

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2017, 07:33:27 PM »
Spins and spin results are different things.  You should know it by now. Results without spins do not represent big value in fact.
However it's all depends what you consider " spin results".... you can correlate spin results in bulk to spin results in bulk, you know. It all depends on what you really know about this game and how good you are in data analysis.
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2017, 07:43:38 PM »

We can call it AP or GF! Both spend time of try! No win as they pretend!
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2017, 07:59:41 PM »

You are still confused Mr. Perfect.
We profit or lose on spin results not spins.
You analyse data of past spin results not "spins" so you are committing The Gambler's   Fallacy.
That same Gamblers' Fallacy that you AP tell we Method players that we are committing.
AND YOU DON' T KNOW IT  !
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2017, 08:25:19 PM »
You free to think as you please. What l do can be shown explained and shown more times . It is mathematically, physically and logically correct.
What you " Method player" have to show besides your forum posts?
I may be confused,  but definitely not about subject l tolk.
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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2017, 08:44:59 PM »
Either the Gambler's Fallacy is wrong or you are Mr.P
You are being illogical here . You can't have it both ways.

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2017, 09:39:53 PM »
Guys, please do not quote a post if it is immediately above yours.
It is obvious that you reply to the post prior to yours. No need to quote it.

This is bad use of reading space, database resources and forum layout.
Thanks for your understanding.

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##### Re: Advantage play discussion
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2017, 09:46:41 PM »
Either the Gambler's Fallacy is wrong or you are Mr.P
You are being illogical here . You can't have it both ways.
Numbers are results of spins. Spins is what ball does before coming to the final number. Spins without final number or final number without spin is not very valid piece of information.
It has to do with the simple fact that roulette devices themselves are not random.  Limit of randomness can be traced in scatter analysis.  You can do it yourself. There is no need for me to convince you personally of anything. Just record ball jumps and see yourself.
While at it, you can record spins as well.... if you are up to the task, l myself help you, if not , l can't be bothered either.

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