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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #465 on: April 24, 2017, 12:12:07 PM »
@ Alex

Here is how the XYY+3 trigger works:

Step 1: Only use the XYY trigger (XYX and YYX triggers are ignored)
Step 2: If the PREVIOUS 3 spins do NOT include an "X", then bet. If it does include an "X", ignore this XYY trigger.
Step 3: Bet up to 3 times, and then stop. If 1 of the 3 bets win, it's a win. If no win within the 3 bets, it's a loss.

That's it! If it loses, you don't have to increase the NEXT XYY+3 trigger bet.

If you can do this, it would be a great help! Thank you, Alex.

Statistically, there should be a 69.1% win rate (on a Single Zero wheel). But during my 10,000+ tests, the lowest win rate I reached was 76% (during each 4,000 spin test), and the highest win rate I reached was 84%. I have NEVER had a losing session with these XYY+3 triggers yet in 10,000+ spins.

If you do decide to create this document, Alex, maybe you can also add a win percentage feature? Thanks!

Hi Terminator,

Here you are.

Please let me know if there is anything else you might need.
I kept the 122 progression steady
you have the bets LW history as well as the 3X LW ( groups of 3)
+ some statistics.
Refresh (F9) or add your numbers on the left column.

Regards,
Alex
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #466 on: April 24, 2017, 06:01:40 PM »
Hi Terminator,

I did some test with the XYY +3 trigger. I did the test for the original system and also with Jekhb76 alternate dozen system.

I only tested 1000 spins but very interesting Jekhb76 alternate dozen system did gave much more triggers then Palestis' original one.

1000 spins did gave 138 triggers and a 77.5% winrate.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #467 on: April 24, 2017, 07:04:39 PM »
Thank you so much, Alex. Wow, your program is much better than I expected. Thanks for adding those extra statistics, too. Incredible job! Really. How did you learn to do all this in Excel? I didn't even know Excel could do half the things you've programmed it to do!

You're awesome, man.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #468 on: April 24, 2017, 07:23:48 PM »
Jekhb76 alternate dozen system did gave much more triggers then Palestis' original one.
1000 spins did gave 138 triggers and a 77.5% winrate.

Awesome results, ShadowBlue! I played a few games with Eddy's (Jekhb76) triggers also. It is a good system. Every game I played DID make more profit than Palestis's. However, each game also had higher bets made, and a bigger debt, in order to win more money, compared to Palestis's. I prefer games with lower risk that win less money, rather than higher risk to win more money.

But, I only played a few games with Eddy's original progression (which was aggressive). Maybe I'll experiment with a few more games with his triggers using a different progression. I haven't heard from Eddy in a few weeks, he must be busy.

ShadowBlue, what progression do you use with Eddy's triggers? Also, how many bets at a time do you make once your trigger is selected? (Palestis' method bets 3 at a time, Eddy's bets 10 at a time)

Hmmm, one more question. How do you apply the XYY+3 trigger to Eddy's method of picking triggers? His method is so different than Palestis's that I don't see how to do it. We pick 2 numbers that are from the same dozen within 3 spins of each other and within 3 numbers of each other. that is "X". Do you simply make sure there's no other numbers within a count of 3 of "X" in the prior 3 spins?

Thanks.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #469 on: April 24, 2017, 08:39:26 PM »
Please let me know if there is anything else you might need.

Hi Alex, I was playing through your document, and I noticed in your version 3.0 that, when there's a WIN, the Palestis Progression goes back to the first bet of level 1. His progression actually only does that when he either TIES his previous high, or gets a new high. If we are below our last high, it actually starts with the first bet of the level we are currently on.

Would it be possible to change this in your document? If so, maybe you can add my divisor into it as well? My divisor really keeps the progression levels down and helps with money management. I know it's a little tricky, and maybe it's not possible to do this in Excel, but I thought I'd ask. If you need any clarification as to how the divisor or progression works, please let me know!

Thanks again for your awesome work, Alex.
 
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« Reply #470 on: April 25, 2017, 01:25:43 AM »
Hi Terminator,

I did some test with the XYY +3 trigger. I did the test for the original system and also with Jekhb76 alternate dozen system.

I only tested 1000 spins but very interesting Jekhb76 alternate dozen system did gave much more triggers then Palestis' original one.

1000 spins did gave 138 triggers and a 77.5% winrate.
A 77.5% win rate is certainly extremely good for a single dozen.
Hopefully it works in regular intervals with only one or two losses in between if they have to happen. 
As opposed to an overall average, where long losing gabs can occur before a tsunami of wins. 
There is no need to risk an entire B/R due to a rare exception, for a trigger that has proven to work flawlessly.
In a real casino with many roulettes available, a YXX+3 trigger should not be that hard to find.
Plus there is an added advantage.
You may come across a score board that reads HMHLMMH. The trigger would be LMM. And it already has the first spin lost when H came. But with no wager on it, as it was already made when  you arrived at that table. Then you can either bet the next 2 spins, or bet 4 spins (including the one that lost), but at the cost of 3 spins. These situations are possible  when you walk around observing many roulettes.
You may even come across a YXX +3 trigger that has already lost all 3 spins.
It pays to be on standby at that roulette, so that you will be ready for the second YXX+3 trigger that will form. Since 2 back to back losses are rare for this trigger, there is a high degree of certainty for a hit.
So there are many surprise advantages when you play in a B+M casino.
You just have to be able to back count on the score board to identify those situations.

 
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #471 on: April 25, 2017, 04:46:27 AM »
Good point, Palestis. Thanks for pointing out that extra advantage for B&M roulette.

And for clarification (ShadowBlue can correct me if I'm wrong), but I believe that 77.5% win rate is for every sequence of 3 bets in a row. So, the expected win rate would be 69.1% for Single Zero. Not the usual 33% for a single bet on single dozen. I have had similar results of between 76% to 84%

 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #472 on: April 25, 2017, 09:35:36 AM »
Hi Terminator and Palestis just wrote a long post this morning and when i was about to post an error occured.

Everything was gone. I have no time more for today so i will post tomorrow.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #473 on: April 25, 2017, 03:44:34 PM »
Sorry to hear that. I hate when that happens! To help prevent that from happening in the future, I use the add-on LAZARUS: Form Recovery for Firefox. It remember everything you wrote and brings it back with a click of the button. Otherwise, typing your post in Microsoft Word first, then transferring it to your post, also prevents these kinds of losses.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #474 on: April 26, 2017, 10:25:51 AM »
Hi Terminator,

The 77.5 strike rate i had was not with Jekhb76,s original system. But with the XYY +3 trigger.
For the alternate  dozen system. It is not so strange that i had much more triggers because there are.
Not one but two triggers. Also nice that you don't have to wait so long.

For J's system there are the XX+3 trigger and the XYX+3 trigger.Example: 14 8 7 28 33 ( 28 33 = XX+3trigger).
After 28 33 bet 3 times dozen 3, progression 1-1-2.

Example:   14 17 22 3 29 10 ( 3 29 10 = XYX +3 trigger. After 3 29 10 bet 3 times dozen 1-1-2.
Sometimes this happens 3 6 11 13 31 17 29  A trigger for dozen 2 and also one for dozen 3. What i do is this.

i will start the second progression for dozen 3. That is 2-2-4, two back to back losses don't happen that much.
And just like you i don't like high risk and progressions. That's why i don't go higher then 2-2-4.

Before i play i always look if the table is behaving good i don't have a cold table.

You did a good job 10.000 spins without any losses. You must have a lot of patience waiting so long for the XYY+3 trigger.  ;D
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #475 on: April 26, 2017, 05:02:16 PM »
The 77.5 strike rate i had was not with Jekhb76,s original system. It is not so strange that i had much more triggers because there are. Also nice that you don't have to wait so long.

Oh, thanks for clarifying, Shadow. FYI, HarryJ's method also has more triggers and much shorter waits. Have you tried his method yet?

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28 33 = XX+3trigger
3 29 10 = XYX +3 trigger

Hmmm. Maybe I'm missing something, but neither of these are a trigger from Jekhb76,s method. Eddy and I were communicating through email, and he told me for there to be a trigger, there are 3 things that must be true:

1 - the numbers must be within 3 digits of one another (i.e., 1,1 or 1,2, or 1,3, or 1,4),
2 - they must be within the same Dozen,
3 - they must be within 3 spins of one another.

The above triggers fit rules #2 and 3, but not rule #1: they are not within 3 spins of one another.

However, by skipping rule #1, there are a lot more triggers to play!

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You did a good job 10.000 spins without any losses. You must have a lot of patience waiting so long for the XYY+3 trigger.

Thank you. Actually, what I did is this. During the FIRST progression level, I played Palestis's method, with his triggers and red flags.

Once I went to level 2, I ONLY played the XYY trigger, STILL following the red flags, BUT using the previous 3 spins if possible (like HarryJ gets his triggers from), since the occurrence of XYY alone has a longer wait time (3x longer than Palestis's 3 original triggers).

And once I reached the THIRD level, I would only play the XYY+3 triggers (also using the previous 3 spins if possible) and ignore all the red flags. It is still profitable when ignoring red flags, and since the wait time is HUGE between XYY+3 triggers (4x longer than XYY trigger alone, 12x longer than Palestis's 3 original triggers), we have to compensate.

I had separate stats for the XYY+3 trigger, and even though Palestis's original 3 triggers would lose once in a while in every 20 game sequence, the XYY+3 trigger never has yet. Even though when I use Alex's Excel program, the XYY+3 trigger has the same statistical hit rate as expected, the last 10,000 spins on the manual games I played were well above expectation.

Oh, and I also used my 2x divisor to determine which level to play. This makes a huge difference! Not only for managing bankroll, but cuts down on the wait time between triggers also.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #476 on: April 26, 2017, 08:57:19 PM »
Oh, and I also used my 2x divisor to determine which level to play. This makes a huge difference! Not only for managing bankroll, but cuts down on the wait time between triggers also.

You mean by raising the inclination; somehow you are betting more than you would by using the divisor which means you recover faster?
 

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« Reply #477 on: April 27, 2017, 12:12:48 AM »

I had separate stats for the XYY+3 trigger, and even though Palestis's original 3 triggers would lose once in a while in every 20 game sequence, the XYY+3 trigger never has yet. Even though when I use Alex's Excel program, the XYY+3 trigger has the same statistical hit rate as expected, the last 10,000 spins on the manual games I played were well above expectation.
I guess in light of all the positive info about the XYY trigger, then it pays to use this trigger only with a higher chip. The extra patience required will be well worth it.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #478 on: April 27, 2017, 05:51:07 AM »
You mean by raising the inclination; somehow you are betting more than you would by using the divisor which means you recover faster?

Actually, just the opposite. I'm betting lower, which means I lower the progression level I'm on, thus lowering my risk if a bad streak hit. This also means possibly changing the trigger...so if I'm on level 4 (an XYY+3 trigger) and use my 2x Divisor to lower it to a level 2 (XYY trigger), then that means I wait less between spins because I am not playing an XYY+3 trigger.

Here is a more detailed description of my 2x Divisor:

http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1376.msg22034#msg22034
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« Reply #479 on: April 27, 2017, 05:59:23 AM »
Wow Term, very profound!  I can assure you that we all would have missed that subtlety if you hadn't of spelled it out!
 
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