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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2017, 10:29:55 PM »
Palestis, This kicked ass today! Played with blacks and on real wheel live dealer rapid roulette. Started with quarters, and hit the first three on the first shot . I then switched to single and double virtual bets and kept separate score sheets for each. I used a 1,1,1.5 level one and a 1, 2, 2.5 level two. I have a deeper progression but did not need it. I have tweaked the method a bit to suit myself and my own philosophie on repeating trends, but the core still remains.
+18 black units and never a troubled session, the virtual losses are key when playing larger units. They allow you to work up and down your progression, within multiple session attempts, not getting bit by variance. I have seen THREE losing back to back to back sessions, but the virtuals cleaned that up nicely with no angst. This topic is way over looked.
I am a flat bet guy and this is almost the same, with the 2/1 pay out in the 1 hole. Almost as frequent as an even money parlay! You the MAN!           Kind Regards! The juice
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2017, 10:41:55 AM »

I have seen some very rare 3 back to back losses during the long tests that I did.
However, going back on my notes to pinpoint possible reasons for that, I saw that almost always
it involved a situation where there was an anomaly in the numbers preceding the trigger.
Something that I was not taking into account during testing, because I wanted to test as many numbers as possible, and didn't want to slow down by watching for red flags.
 That is,  one dozen has appeared consecutively. Like 2,7,1,11, 10,32. Though the obvious trigger is 11,10,32, I would let that trigger go without betting. Instead wait for a more normal sequence involving a normal mix of dozens.  Waiting for a few more spins won't kill you.
Also if I see a sequence like 2,7,1,11,10, 32,36, 8 I would definitely void the 32,36,8 trigger, because the target dozen (1st dozen), has already appeared 5 times just before the trigger was formed. Therefore chasing a dozen that has already appeared enough times can be a little risky. Let that go and wait till things turn to normal.
Also,  if after a trigger XXY, the first 2 spins are XX ( the same majority dozen in the trigger), I would stop at 2 lost spins.
When I went back on my notes after taking those red flags into account, the 3 back to back losses disappeared, and 2 back to back losses became rare.
And  If you add an entire virtual lost trigger in all its 3 steps, then losing becomes impossible. Or 2 virtually lost steps in  the trigger and another 3 betting steps after that.
 Especially applicable when betting with high value chips like black.
  Every tweak adds to certainty, at the expense of time. But who cares about time, when the rewards are high?
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2017, 09:16:12 PM »

Awesome Palestis,
1.5 hour test. Online Live Wheel (Real Money) And I guess, I didn't even play it very well by the rules.

31 SESSIONS: PLAYED
24 SESSIONS: WON
2  SESSIONS: EVEN
5  SESSIONS: LOST
HIGHEST PROGRESSION 4-4-8
HIGHEST BACK TO BACK LOST SESSIONS: 2
TOTAL SPINS PLAYED: 204
TOTAL PLAYING TIME: 1:45 MIN. INCLUDING BRAKE

16
11 (-
10 (-
7
33
14 W
__________________________ 0
10
26
15
35
15
31
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11 (-
13 (-
24 W
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33 (-
34 (-
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21 (-
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33 W
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18 (-
13 (-
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31 W
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11 (-
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18 (-
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28 (-
32 (-
19 W
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32 (-
27 (-
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2017, 10:43:44 PM »

Awesome Palestis,
1.5 hour test. Online Live Wheel (Real Money) And I guess, I didn't even play it very well by the rules.

31 SESSIONS: PLAYED
24 SESSIONS: WON
2  SESSIONS: EVEN
5  SESSIONS: LOST
HIGHEST PROGRESSION 4-4-8
HIGHEST BACK TO BACK LOST SESSIONS: 2
TOTAL SPINS PLAYED: 204
TOTAL PLAYING TIME: 1:45 MIN. INCLUDING BRAKE

I think by session we mean an entire day's play. Or one sitting before leaving and coming back later or next day.
I guess you meant you played 31 triggers. Because they were all in one sitting with continuous play.
I noticed that you skipped some triggers that were present, like the one I post in the picture.
If you lost 5 triggers (single), it's not really a loss because with some progression you recouped in the next trigger. Like if I bet B and RRB comes. I lost twice to RR and won the 3rd time.
At  $5-10 -20 progression it was not a loss because in the 3rd spin you won B and recovered the 2 lost RR's. The end result is win. Likewise with the dozen. A winning trigger following a lost one, should recoup the loss and/or end up with a profit depending on progression.
But your Win/Loss ratio sounds about right. With attention paid and avoiding the red flags,  the W/L ratio is about 6:1 or 7:1.
But as long as lost triggers don't occur in succession (back to back), there should be no problem whatsoever. With $1000 B/R and $10 minimum starting chip there in no way you can lose $1000, even if you run into 5 back to back losses. Which of course never happens.
The whole idea of a successful system is to make sure that in tests many back to back losses don't happen. That's what kills most systems.
A single trigger loss or a double can be easily recovered with progression.
And even 3 if the B/R is sufficient.
It's when you run into 4 + back to back losses (and frequently),  that the system will suffer.
In that case the system itself is not worth playing it.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2017, 12:32:36 AM »
Palestis, This kicked ass today! Played with blacks and on real wheel live dealer rapid roulette. Started with quarters, and hit the first three on the first shot . I then switched to single and double virtual bets and kept separate score sheets for each. I used a 1,1,1.5 level one and a 1, 2, 2.5 level two. I have a deeper progression but did not need it. I have tweaked the method a bit to suit myself and my own philosophie on repeating trends, but the core still remains.
+18 black units and never a troubled session, the virtual losses are key when playing larger units. They allow you to work up and down your progression, within multiple session attempts, not getting bit by variance. I have seen THREE losing back to back to back sessions, but the virtuals cleaned that up nicely with no angst. This topic is way over looked.
I am a flat bet guy and this is almost the same, with the 2/1 pay out in the 1 hole. Almost as frequent as an even money parlay! You the MAN!           Kind Regards! The juice
I am glad someone acknowledges  the tremendous value  of VIRTUAL LOSSES especially when high value chips are involved. It is the key to increased certainty.
Because there are 2 ways to challenge the game of roulette.
One to follow its flow and trying to guess what the roulette will do.
The other and most successful, is to make your own flow by starting and stopping whenever you see fit. And using virtual losses to adjust your own flow to the variable conditions, plus to counter the variance whenever it decides to appear.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2017, 01:05:52 AM »
I'm doing some testing, and this seems to look good.

After a week is everyone else on board? I love single dozen methods.
So much more playable.

What other single dozen methods have you worked out?
I'd love to hear.

Thanks!!
I have worked on another single dozen system but not as hard as the one in this post.
As opposed to the  "dozen breaker" which requires to play 2 dozens , this one is called the "dozen repeater". and you only play one dozen, trying to match the pattern,  in one of the 3 positions.
A few examples are better to give you the idea, rather than just describing it.
1.  When you have 22,7,31 the dozen pattern is 213. Then you play in succession the 2nd, then the 1st then the 3rd dozen. If 20 comes next you win in the first spin. If 2 comes next you win in the second spin. If 36 comes next then you win in the 3rd spin.

2. We have 10-8-30. The pattern is 113. We play the 1st, then the 1st again, then the 3rd dozen.
    Trying to match one of the 3 dozens in the  pattern. Then we stop and start over.
All you  have to do is read down on a score card and see how things turn out.
Of course you avoid a pattern that involves the same dozen like 1-4-11, or 15-19-22 etc.
If you read enough score cards I am sure an experienced player will discover the best way to play this system.  This is just a hint. 
The nice thing about it is that this system can be adapted to a single DS. Double street pattern repeater.
     
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2017, 06:02:56 AM »
Hi Palestis, can you please give some examples in numbers when we avoid betting etc? it is still not clear to me. thanks. eddy
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2017, 10:42:54 AM »
Never mind my last post Palatis, found it, you did explain it. thnx.

 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2017, 11:03:33 AM »
What we need to do know is to try and push this system to it's extreme. if we somehow can handle that, we have a long term winner!

First thing we should do, is to find out what the most back to back losses are when we ignore the red flags in this system. And just start betting everytime we see YXX / XYX / XXY no matter what hit before our trigger.

Next thing we should find out is what the longest progression is we can make for the extrem back to back losses.

For now, when using the system as pointed out and the max back to back losses calculated is when we multiply our base bet by 1000 as a bankroll we're safe.
This way we can do a progression of 8 steps (back to back losses).
1) 1-1-2
2) 2-2-4
3) 4-4-8
4) 8-8-16
5) 16-16-32
6) 32-32-64
7) 64-64-128

Total bankroll needed for this progression is 508 units
8) 128-128-256

This with in our mind that the table limit is 500 units. so 1000 units we'll never be in trouble, well at least for the original system.
but now we need to put things to the extreme. hope some can help.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2017, 11:05:38 AM »
Hi Palestis, can you please give some examples in numbers when we avoid betting etc? it is still not clear to me. thanks. eddy
1. If there is sequence of numbers like 25-30-27-32-10-8-21 you avoid betting the 10-8-21 trigger,
    (too many numbers in the 3rd dozen  preceding  the trigger). Indicating a streak that might continue in a dozen that is not the target.
2.   12-9-8 30-25-2. You avoid, because the target dozen in the trigger already came at least 3 times in a row.  Then it becomes a little risky to bet that the same dozen will show up again.  (just a legitimate precaution).
3. if you have 15-22-30 and 21-17 comes you stop at 2 bets. (the majority dozen came twice again).
4. If there is a 0 or more 0's close to above the trigger , then it's best to avoid because 0's sometimes come in packs.
Also someone in the forum contributed the idea in a PM of letting a few numbers go before you pick up another trigger. (flow interruption). I found that to be a good idea in any system.

Also the progression you mentioned above you don't really have to climb up so abruptly.
After a trigger loss or 2 back to back losses, you can start the new trigger with a slightly higher chip.
And keep it for the next few triggers, until you recovered completely and/or made a profit. Then you revert back to the usual starting chip.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2017, 11:15:49 AM »
Thanks, it makes more sense now. now up testing the extreme.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2017, 12:59:34 PM »
rx code ? pls share
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2017, 01:07:24 PM »
look guys , jim, imo the best way to play this system is ... when u win at the first spin some times in a row is to play the exact opposite thus , to bet the other 2  dozens ,and not that one that the trigger shows , for instace if u won 3 times in a row then u have to bet the trigger to lose becoz this is what s happening at least most of the time i ve tested a lot so iam in position to confirm all these things ..
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2017, 01:10:40 PM »
Hi Juice,

Can you please do a sample play of a session, so that we can understand what your tweak is and also your deep progression limit.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2017, 08:32:36 PM »
CasinĂ²: Berlin
Data: 18/02/2011
actual data from a section of 264 consecutive spins.

27 30 23 33 8 28 4 10 (14 20 20 22 15) 25 36 (9 10 2 5 5) 15 25 36 (9 10 2 5 5) 17 (5 10 2 2 1) 28 12 15 (5 9 6 7) 23 6 0 2 2 23 26 32 (12 5 3 10) 23 20 0 1 20 11 14 30 16 18 36 6 31 18 7 23 36 6 20 (11 12 1) 33 1 (27 26 33) 1 14 34 (19 24 15) 27 31 (11 1 6 4) 36 14 9 27 1 13 17 18 35 9 24 17 9 13 34 20 30 16 4 18 5 35 (1 12 7 6 11) 18 (25 27 29) 16 11 21 35 

Eddy, for me to post anything is a stretch as far as visual play, but the above is to illustrate what I like to look for.
Player preference of TREND VS. ANTI-TREND.
Before I give my opinion, this is just a tweak and all due respect to Pales.
His way is CHAMPION!!, but I personally find strength in clusters to repeat / reappear. I try to catch the tail end of a trend and try to make it my trigger objective number with the application of repeating single numbers or law of the thirds. It ( the cluster) can be 10 numbers back from the current play that I enter. It takes a lot more patience and deeper observation, but I feel better applying that rule. So in reality it breaks RULE #2, but played correctly and far enough back but no too far is the key.
It is very difficult to explain the dynamic in a post. 
Along with a score sheet, I separate each individual position played(attempts), into three columns, with there own divisor if needed.
So you have 3 columns, for 3 separate plays, and 3 different divisors.     
I play a best of 5 series per position and then apply the divisor. The divisor is simple and is usually 1/2 of the debt. for example, if the debt in position 2 = 5units, then the divisor is 2.5.
The beauty of the 3 separate conditions is that you are always playing into the 2/1 payout.
As hard as most people want to argue the logic, I also play with two complete score sheets, one for trend and one for anti-trend. When you have a hit rate as frequent as this bet,(any way you play it) it seems a shame not to hedge. I do the same on even money bets too. It takes some getting use to but, I feel that a proper score sheet is a work of art. Actually, mine belong in the LOUVRE.
So You can have two score sheets, each with three conditions, one played text book Pales rules #'s 1,2,3., and then use my little tweaks on a separate sheet. I do not play with blacks when I do this, quarters only, and YOU MUST, get into the mind set that your BANK is just that. It will have draw downs and surplus cash at any given time, so the score sheet is the bible and you just pick up where you left off session after session. Playing this way will bring you an easy 8- 12 units an hour, with little pressure. The 2/1 pay out is key in the one hole. I liken it to a parlay on the e.c.'s, and keeping each event separate, they all get a chance to taste the flavor of money marinating at 2/1.

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ps. I always use 100 times my unit size for session bank roll.

ie, 25$ units = 2500$ bank roll
     100$ = 10,000

Edit note....I just tried this with three levels of banking units, 10, 25, 50, and did not use a divisor and it did well.

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