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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016, 05:14:39 PM »
 Similiarity with Markov Chains Property States

Three present states.

First you have to understand there exist two events.
There is series and there is singels.
Two opposite events.

One serie has the value of 1. (no matter length)
One single has the value of 1.

STATE 1

If we would get one isolated single event and one single isolated serie (with out any of them chopping/strike) - then does would cancel eachother or we could dictate there is no imbalance as the values hovering at zero point.

The value is plus 1 minus 1 = 0 plus 1 minus 1 = 0 plus 1 minus 1 = 0

Short hovering state.

R BBB

Medium hovering state.

R BBBB R BBBBBBB

Large hovering state.

R BB R BBBBB R BBBBB R BBB R BBBBB R BB R BBB R BBBBB

And it can unfold the other way around as RRR B RRRRR B RRRR

Note that the minimum formation for the hovering state being present is one serie and one single or one single and one serie.

This hovering state will allways end with two singels or two series to chop.

RBR or BBBRRRR

STATE 2

The second state is to series to chop as minimum for our observations.

RRBBB or BBBRRR

Witch would be plus 1 plus 1 = 2 or being a short tendency towards present imbalance towards that direction.

Short state or minimum state to verify it is present.

RRBBB or BBBRRR

Medium state would be around 3 to 5 series chopping.

RRRBBBRRBBRRRRBBB

Large state would be around 6 to 12 or more hitting 3 to 4 STD.

RRRBBRRRRRBBBBBBBBRRRBBBBBBRRBBRRRBBBBRRBBBBBRRRRBBBBRRRBBBBBRRRRBBB

STATE 3

The minimum is two singles in a row witch look like this RBR (has to be three to verify that we have a present state of two singels - the third we know nothing about and is part of the future).

The minimum present state to verify is as follows.

RBR or BRB

Medium ...

RBRBRB

Large or hitting 3 to 4 STD

RBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR

Each Event or Each Outcome.

First we can start with observing the random flow with the present states unfolding.
If they alternating then it would be the same thing for each dozen to show once during a cycle of three property or states.

RBRRBBRBB

BBRRBRRBRB

RRBRRBBRBR

This means there is no existing imbalance at all.
First the three present state have one show each - no imbalance.

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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016, 05:16:27 PM »
I think possibly the greatest wisdom might be:

We don't trade the markets, the markets trade us.

I would say that in order to find myself, I must completely lose myself. :D
 

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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016, 05:20:27 PM »

 Good Point ...

 Cheers
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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016, 05:23:02 PM »
@Sputnik:  LOL, I scrolled your post from the bottom and I knew it was you long before I saw your name scroll at the top!

Ok, so I get the states and the three examples you gave with no one defining state in any of them.

So what are we looking for a streak of a particular state?  Do we bet for that to break?

I can program a charting softwares based on virtually any betting criteria, so if you have a special event that will give us an edge, I am quite confident I can program it to chart for us...
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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2016, 04:56:43 PM »
Great post Sputnik.

Btw, look at this technical analysis chart. This looks more confusing than the search for the perfect roulette system. I'm not sure I have the time to devote in learning to read technical indicators....

 
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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2016, 05:36:37 PM »
This is what is known as "candlestick" charting.  It is a very complex system developed by Japanese rice traders centuries ago.  It is a developed system that is based on the market moves within a single day, focusing especially upon where a market opened and closed.  As it turns out, this methodology will be completely useless in roulette UNLESS we incorporate a series of spins to be looked at AS a single day -- which btw is an amazing idea... O_o
 

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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2016, 06:25:35 PM »
There are too many lines in there... my head hurts.
 

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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2016, 08:30:44 PM »
Its actually pretty easy, the guy that made that picture made it too complex.  Here is some simple examples so you can see:







Wow what if we were to look at 37 spins as a day?  Or maybe we do 12 spins?

So, the way it would work is we would note our balance at the beginning of our session and then spin 37 times and then note our balance again.  We would then construct the candlestick symbol by using our starting balance and the ending balance.

OPEN (SPIN 0)
   v    R    ^
   v    A    ^
   v    N    ^
   v    G    ^
   v    E    ^
         CLOSE (SPIN 37)

The RANGE is a vertical line that represents the highest balance (at the top) and lowest balance (at the bottom).  The OPEN and the CLOSE then appear as horizontal lines that mark the balance when we begin and when our session ends.

This way we can see exactly how the session went by glancing at a symbolic representation.
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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2016, 05:02:27 AM »
 This is how i would convert down/up price with Rolette and different property states.
 I would use cycle to define when a price goes down or up.

 The odds is 1 in 3.
 So if you get a show of each property/state to show then they alernate.

 First i show a example with DOZEN and after that the same distribution, but with states.

 123

 R BBBB RRRR B R B

 You need to observe and understand the propery moving into eachother sometimes.
 So the betting or Place bets seperate the property for what they are.

Example playing for a repeat, bias, domination.
Then if we see one state we play it will repeat, if we see two state we play them to repeat and if we lose we have all three states.
That is one cycle.


R

B
B
B
B
R
R Lose - betting that R BBB formation would repeat - betting once
R
R

B Lose - betting that BBB RRR formation would repeat - betting once
R
Lose - betting that R BBB formation would repeat - betting once
B

So one idea could be that the price fall when they alternate and goes up when they dominate.
Then the Entering Point would be Three attempts.
The average winning strike would hovering around break even or direct win.
Exit Point would be Three attempts.

As we know so has one dozen a limit around 13 hits in a row.
So the question is what the limit is for one property or state as the odds is the same with 1 in 3.

This means that Everything could be the other way around where the price fall when one property repeats, dominate and the price goes up when the other two hits.
But i have not solve the betting march for that one.

What i remember from the past is that i once bet after three hovering states with a 12 step fibo and pass 800.000 spins (not placed bets) betting twice to Catch the two oppisite states.
That means it can take 800.000 spins to see one property or state repeating 9 times in a row.

As the probility and odds is the same and there exist no other combination then 1 in 3 so does any march or algorithm playing one single dozen or two dozen method work with EC.
The only difference is the payout.

With my example above using the march with cycle you get 20 Entering Points to STRIKE and 6 Entering Points fo FAIL.
Question - is it Worth it to ride each strike or not, maybe better to bet once or not at all, maybe better to have the skips as indicators to attack, where first domination change state to a new domination property - there is many options.

Here you can see the price going up and down using a simple alghorithm that works with EC.
This example is with dozen and result in two loses and with EC that is three loses.

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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2016, 08:54:56 AM »
Just a side note that I can demonstrate 1 Doz is 16 times in a row...
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Re: Technical analysis for roulette
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2016, 05:54:40 PM »
I'm following this topic with great interest and I'm sure it will evolve in interesting ways over time.
I just want to post a link to its "sister topic" for reference: