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Re: collecting data
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2016, 02:37:56 PM »
"Dominant" it is by chance and a lot of so called AP think it is by skill. They hate to be lucky.
 

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Re: collecting data
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2016, 03:58:03 PM »
You mean that there are three (3) independent AP players attacking one specific online wheel?
one of them is independent for sure. .. it's me. I see other people to win when l win... not bet when l do not bet...same nicks
 
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Re: collecting data
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2016, 03:59:42 PM »
"Dominant" it is by chance and a lot of so called AP think it is by skill. They hate to be lucky.
Your opinion is incorrect. It contradicts reality. Take some data during consequtive days and you will see it yourself.
 
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Re: collecting data
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2016, 05:20:59 PM »
Mr. P
I think you need to be clearer in your explanations .
In Reply3 in this thread you say that  wheels are uneven,may possess defects etc. . Is this not Bias Play - while you talk of VB .?
So, which is it ?
 You say that the more data the better the  decision . How much data do you claim is needed  for a useful interpretation of it ?Thousands of spins - or 400 ?
You are all over the place and wonder why I don’t believe you ?
Your viewpoint is interesting but just keep it there  and talk about VB / Bias / whatever and stop telling Method players that we are on the wrong track. We think you AP advocates  are on the wrong track  and your claims are not only exaggerated  but fanciful .
 

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Re: collecting data
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2016, 05:29:27 PM »
"Dominant" it is by chance and a lot of so called AP think it is by skill. They hate to be lucky.

So what's the point of using a system if it's all down to luck?
 
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Re: collecting data
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2016, 05:48:44 PM »
Mr. P
I think you need to be clearer in your explanations .
In Reply3 in this thread you say that  wheels are uneven,may possess defects etc. . Is this not Bias Play - while you talk of VB .?
So, which is it ?
 You say that the more data the better the  decision . How much data do you claim is needed  for a useful interpretation of it ?Thousands of spins - or 400 ?
You are all over the place and wonder why I don’t believe you ?
Your viewpoint is interesting but just keep it there  and talk about VB / Bias / whatever and stop telling Method players that we are on the wrong track. We think you AP advocates  are on the wrong track  and your claims are not only exaggerated  but fanciful .
Scepticus,  my explanations are for these who can be bothered to go out there and collect data. When you are ready to do something like that, everything become crystal clear. But antil that moment, you will be confused forether.  I have very little interest to work towards your personal understanding till the moment you start to do something besides tolking.
 

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Re: collecting data
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2016, 07:50:15 PM »
"Dominant" it is by chance and a lot of so called AP think it is by skill. They hate to be lucky.

Jesper,

Perhaps you can elaborate? Define what you mean by "dominant." 

   Can you quantify it?  Perhaps you can explain it in terms of standard deviation/z score?  What do you feel would be a statistically relevant "dominant" in your world?

-Really

 
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Re: collecting data
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2016, 08:23:25 PM »
Mr. P
I think you need to be clearer in your explanations .
In Reply3 in this thread you say that  wheels are uneven,may possess defects etc. . Is this not Bias Play - while you talk of VB .?
So, which is it ?
 You say that the more data the better the  decision . How much data do you claim is needed  for a useful interpretation of it ?Thousands of spins - or 400 ?
You are all over the place and wonder why I don’t believe you ?
Your viewpoint is interesting but just keep it there  and talk about VB / Bias / whatever and stop telling Method players that we are on the wrong track. We think you AP advocates  are on the wrong track  and your claims are not only exaggerated  but fanciful .
Scepticus,  my explanations are for these who can be bothered to go out there and collect data. When you are ready to do something like that, everything become crystal clear. But antil that moment, you will be confused forether.  I have very little interest to work towards your personal understanding till the moment you start to do something besides tolking.

I do more than talk Mr.P I play roulette in a real casino and bet with real money . How is offering to visit your local casino and show you me actually playing roulette JUST TALKING ?
All you do is talk- and talk nonsense . Win thousands yet bet 25p. Tell me  you can show me how to win a million and yet you can't do it yourself . You hide from casino staff so they cannot see you winning even though they offer you a max of £ 500 on a Straight - Up. You  tell us the more data the better  - data which takes HOURS if not DAYS to accumulate. Factor in the time you spend NOT betting into your profit per spin and tell me what profit per hour you make .
Many in this forum have been betting roulette for years and have often read posts like yours and have concluded that REALITY bets THEORY .
 

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Re: collecting data
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2016, 08:41:49 PM »
Mr. P
I think you need to be clearer in your explanations .
In Reply3 in this thread you say that  wheels are uneven,may possess defects etc. . Is this not Bias Play - while you talk of VB .?
So, which is it ?
 You say that the more data the better the  decision . How much data do you claim is needed  for a useful interpretation of it ?Thousands of spins - or 400 ?
You are all over the place and wonder why I don’t believe you ?
Your viewpoint is interesting but just keep it there  and talk about VB / Bias / whatever and stop telling Method players that we are on the wrong track. We think you AP advocates  are on the wrong track  and your claims are not only exaggerated  but fanciful .
Scepticus,  my explanations are for these who can be bothered to go out there and collect data. When you are ready to do something like that, everything become crystal clear. But antil that moment, you will be confused forether.  I have very little interest to work towards your personal understanding till the moment you start to do something besides tolking.

I do more than talk Mr.P I play roulette in a real casino and bet with real money . How is offering to visit your local casino and show you me actually playing roulette JUST TALKING ?
All you do is talk- and talk nonsense . Win thousands yet bet 25p. Tell me  you can show me how to win a million and yet you can't do it yourself . You hide from casino staff so they cannot see you winning even though they offer you a max of £ 500 on a Straight - Up. You  tell us the more data the better  - data which takes HOURS if not DAYS to accumulate. Factor in the time you spend NOT betting into your profit per spin and tell me what profit per hour you make .
Many in this forum have been betting roulette for years and have often read posts like yours and have concluded that REALITY bets THEORY .
Scepticus, l will let exact numbers to your imagination. You already finished your personal reserve of my patience. I tell you more , all l could find in this forum, l already found.
 However l will allow you to gess , l spent 22 hours tracking this week. In total l played 10 hours. I made more them many per year, including very specialist jobs.
  How do you think, what do l earn per hour?
 
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