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Reyth

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2016, 01:15:50 PM »
I'm not impartial.  I have an opinion that I have proven over and over and over...
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2016, 01:16:57 PM »
Reyeth,

Perhaps you can detail how it's misapplied and provide the correct math for everyone to see?

Show us your detailed proof.  Show us the math that refutes the experts.  Put up or shut up.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2016, 01:18:57 PM »
Look that line doesn't work here.  Plenty of statisticians have been writing about this for decades. 

Name one. Do you have a link?
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2016, 01:21:02 PM »
The only place where I've seen anything like the views expressed here is the article on this site by R.D. Ellison. And I'll be adding a post exposing his nonsense soon.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2016, 01:37:20 PM »
I've already shown you too many times.  You have run the "rope a dope line" of "show me show me" so many times I can quote you at least half a dozen times over the last 12 months.  If you can't put it together by now than you obviously do not want to and I can't help you.

Its obvious you both are being intellectually dishonest for whatever reason it is that motivates you.

I show you guys and push the point to a new level and then you guys abandon thread and invade a different thread or create a new one like the other ones never existed.

I am sick of it.  You guys aren't morons, you are simply disingenuous.

I'm not the only one that has watched this for months on end on this site.  Its a pain especially when your views are so one dimensional.
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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2016, 01:47:03 PM »
  If you're going to make an absurd claim, then back it up with proof.  Where's the proof?  Where's the math?
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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2016, 01:47:57 PM »
I don't have any you win.

Besides math is useless if it doesn't apply to real life.  REALLY.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2016, 01:49:20 PM »
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I have an opinion that I have proven over and over and over...-Reyth

Above, those are your words, not mine.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2016, 01:51:21 PM »
Yes and you guys refuse to respond when it hits a new level and you start a new thread demanding the proof again like the other thread didn't even happen.

Its been going on for over a year.  Its disgusting.  You guys have an agenda, your are intellectually dishonest and your views are boring and repetitive and they discourage people from exploring the game of roulette.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2016, 01:56:22 PM »
Why did you claim that you had proof when you really didn't?
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2016, 01:58:37 PM »
Because you repeat yourself over and over is if you are a robot with no soul.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2016, 02:05:44 PM »
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You guys have an agenda, your are intellectually dishonest and your views are boring and repetitive and they discourage people from exploring the game of roulette.-Reyth

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Why did you claim that you had proof when you really didn't?-Real
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Because you repeat yourself over and over is if you are a robot with no soul.-Reyth

Who did you say was intellectually dishonest?  What was it you were saying about the dunce cap?
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2016, 02:10:27 PM »
LOL.  Grow up.
 

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2016, 02:33:06 PM »
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Who did you say was intellectually dishonest?  What was it you were saying about the dunce cap?

Is this an invitation to kids' party?? What is this dunce caps you are blathering about?!

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Re: Do ALL system players commit the gambler's fallacy?
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2016, 03:44:53 PM »
The only place where I've seen anything like the views expressed here is the article on this site by R.D. Ellison. And I'll be adding a post exposing his nonsense soon.
Mike.
The best way to prove something is with actual results. Not theories, of questionable origin.
Who is the inventor of the gambler's fallacy anyway? Could it be that someone mentioned it years ago and it has transcended thru time? Like Einstein's statement that to win in roulette, you have to steal from the dealer?
Anyway in the picture below I have circled groups or 5 EC results and watched what happened after.
I chose 3 betting spins after the presence of 5 EC's either color or H/L numbers. If someone else chose 2 betting spins the results would've been similar with a much lesser risk.
Most of the time the result was the desired one. The two times that failed in 3 spins (circled in blue and magenta together), was recovered in the very next trigger. With a higher starting chip all that was lost in the previous round was recovered and made a profit. A $5-10-20 loss is recovered with a $40-80-160 in the next round. (or are you gonna tell me how much I should have in my pocket)? Or a more conservative player could chose to recover in the next two rounds, thus limiting his risk. 
Needless to say that two or more failures of this nature are extremely rare to happen in a row. Personally I have never seen more than three. With plenty money in one's pocket its not a problem at all. This is very important. The so called "black swan" appears sporadically. Not consecutively. This fact gives  you time to recover. Or with plenty of monetary power you can overcome it, should the unthinkable happen.
If you have an example point me to the data. Do not point me to  theories. Actual results convince me. Theories do not.
In the short run, the results do not always coincide with the true odds.
We see that a lot more often than not.
If it is it due to variance or an explosion in Mars we don't care. The fact of the matter is that it is what it is. If you can take advantage of this fact thru a system, then you are getting somewhere.
You keep saying, how can we ignore math experts and history? Leave history out because we will never know what every player has done in the thousands of casinos in this world. That is the only history that matters.
The doctrines of the experts and the gambler's fallacy pertains to a "long run" scenario. Where the roulette keeps on spinning and the player keeps on betting. INDEFINATELY.
For casino purposes yes the players keep on spinning indefinitely. As a whole. That is y the casinos never lose. Individually taken, it doesn't mean that I keep on spinning for ever. Because I walk away when I win. Thus interrupting the vicious cycle the casinos depend on.
Those who keep on spinning until either they take down the house or run out of gas are the true victims of the gambler's fallacy. And believe me there are a lot of them around.
If you are going to answer this post please do not point me to the experts and the gambler's fallacy doctrine. Point me to ACTUAL RESULTS. Then you might convince me.