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thomasleor

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2017, 11:17:44 AM »
STOP QUOTING PREVIOUS POSTS



Of course, there is a dealers signature but not in the way you present it in that video (active/predetermined by dealers assumed skill or training).

A simple floating sector partition of the wheel and mere 100-150 spins, with let's say 3-5 dealer changes (depends on Casino and time of day), will show clear (passive) sector deviations from one dealer to another. As a matter of fact, I have done such tests together with other roulette players for over a year now and the evidence for passive sector signature on every dealer is evident. The same dealer can, of course, have one type of passive sector deviation in one change, and then a couple of hours later have a completely different one.

All this depends on rhythm between spins, payout interruptions (if the table is crowded), the specific force on the spin of the wheel, ball pressure  depending on "throwing" or snapping the ball around the roulette track, amount of diamonds, pocket configuration (design wise) and several other factors we could view as influencing strange attractors in this physical emulation of a random number generator.

 Thus one could say that several strange attractors contribute to this floating sector partition of any given dealer that may appear as a fingerprint of said dealer when compared to the one before him or the same dealer given two separate points in time he enters the table for a dealer change.

Can a dealer precisely hit a predetermined sector twice or more (active signature)? Highly doubtful. Too many strange attractors that from a chaos theory POV are impossible to calculate and essentially falls back on average number distribution with slightly temporary anomalies most gamblers tend to see as "signatures" or proof of an active predetermined dealer signature arisen from training/skill.

If a clear passive dealer deviation is discovered sector partition-wise, the gambler/player that has a platform or system that can detect such an occurrence enters the game when his platform/system is in synchronicity with said repeating sectors on the wheel and consequently can harvest a nice profit until the signature and his system are out of sync.
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2017, 03:00:40 PM »


Thomas, do you measuring ball/rotor speed when you estimate different distances.
If not then do you use the past cw or ccw results distances comparing to next cw or ccw outcome without measuring ball and rotor speed.

I just try to understand what kind of degree of physics that is involved with your online game and in real casino.
With most online casinos you are not allow to place any bets after ball is launch/spinning.
That is why i assume you look at cw and ccw using the last outcome distance comparing with next outcome to determine a signature using differential distances to emerge patterns or another word for it algorithm.

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2017, 04:04:13 PM »
STOP QUOTING PREVIOUS POSTS

When I play my advanced platforms, the answer is yes. I use wheel distance differentiation of CW and CCW spins, thus having a good idea where the ball will land in the coming spin.

If I wish to determine all possible permutations of WDD between the 10 latest spins, I need a software with sub-algorithms that manages to instantly calculate which means I have 45 distances available which I add to the latest spun pocket. Then, of course, I need 45 additional algos that determines win or loss.

 I also need a main algorithm with a set of executable actions depending on the best combination (from the subalgos) presenting said result on my main roulette display on my platform for a fast read out and bet selection. Of course, I also need to have that display show a set of values like statistical history, anomalies etc and a very efficient money management.

The final result looks like something like this older but still efficient sector predicting platform (yellow spin number are CW and green are CCW):



As you see it predicts next spin (33) with a 60% chance though with a negative edge between statistical and anomaly value. If you look at column 19 to the right of the roulette display you see that the predictions have failed towards the end, with 2 predicted wins followed by 2 losses which contributes to the slightly negative anomaly. Yet I place 7 units wide bet over number 36 and 7 numbers wide bet over 33. 33 comes up next spin (upcoming spin 48) and I win +22 units.

As I have written in my earlier posts there are several good ways to predict the next most probable sector on a roulette wheel without need of conventional physics  and/or any laser measuring equipment, or for that matter any chase after wheels that searches for mechanical wheel bias. This of course is the case for Online gaming against Casinos with a good reputation, game and service.

For land based Casinos you need to apply a far more simple method of wheel partition and use some kind of notebook to see which sector goes best. This of course only works for a certain time because the more number are spun the more difficult the variance becomes calculation wise. Hence one is restrained by a time factor (usually 45 minutes to 1 hour depending on table bet window times.
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2017, 04:29:12 PM »

To continue the previous reply, here is one of my lesser sophisticated platforms tracking/mapping floating sector partitions on the roulette wheel.



Each sector named A.B has 7+7 numbers bet selection.

The gray color on the white win-loss, not column are dealer changes.

Currently, if you look up on the platform you see that the sector 6.3 is dominating with a
 historical 55% hit rate (from the very first noted spin to the present 70%. A deviation/anomaly of 16% which is a very strong sector signal that the platform caught very early (at spin 49 - look furthest to the left- the platform switched best sectors to the 6.3 sectors). Despite dealer change, these 2 sectors remained strong with an extremely good hit rate deviation providing a good profit for me until the target of +400 units was reached.

So to recapitulate, there are many good ways to predict a probable set of sectors (2 sectors has shown to be best due to CW and CCW spin implementation by most Casinos).

I have demonstrated two ways. Perhaps you might get inspired and develop one of your own.

Hopes these 2 posts answers your questions.
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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2017, 05:32:29 PM »
Thomas please stop quoting previous posts.
Read why here: http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1434.0
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2017, 10:50:25 AM »


Thomas, maybe i missunderstand you, but i can not see any advantage play or physics involved with your roulette system.
What i see is some one who use outcome contra outcome with out measuring visual ballistic solutions.

Now using distances based upon a past cw result and mapping 45 past distances in relation to that particular outcome, does not make it different then following a number sequence playing roulette.
If you think i am wrong feel free to explain and put some light on the subject.

When you play online, you can only assume things are going to happen with the help of probability and math.
You might call what you find a signature after mapping distances, but i don't see how they are different then any other common patterns as you don't measuring what happens with the wheel using physics.
For this reasons is wrong no name your method using advantage play.

Again i state that i might be wrong as i don't know every aspect of gambling.
But to understand where the physics is involved you have to define why mapping 45 different distances from each and every cw results should emerge any specific limited advantage comparing to just watch different sectors emerge different patterns and play them.
As i see it both is your average common roulette system with no physics involved.

This is the secret behind a true signature process.
Visual ballistic relations and parameters narrow down specific condition that you estimate being same spin after spin.
So ball/rotor speed become same estimation, then release number position pin point the same or close to same distances over and over again when ball regular hit certain deflectors that donate same ball jumps into same area.
All relations emerge a bias towards the same probability area where you bet.

Comparing does parameters with independent results using math and probability to measuring outcome contra outcome with different distances doe not cut it into the advantage play area.

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2017, 11:01:57 AM »
I have never dealt roulette or never seen in real life a roulette wheel. No casinos around here. But I think the dealers can learn and maybe even having fun to hit target area. I would do it as a dealer. Would be so cool to master that art. So people who have dealt really know how it works.  8)
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2017, 01:56:51 PM »

If this is your opinion then you have to live with it. Not I. I have answered most of your questions in both private email and here. You seem to have a grave misunderstanding what a true advantage play really is.

Real AP is when a bet selection on the wheel (not table) be it a blind bet of any given selection is way below your own bet selection based on your own platform that recalculates a new set of sector or sectors with a clear edge in your favour. If we chose a bet selection of lets say 14 numbers, the probability for the ball to land in the sector or on any given wheel position covered by that bet of 14 numbers is exactly  37.8%.

My platform as you may have seen from the image caps I have provided shows statistical probabilities of the same 14 numbers of between 55-75%. You do understand the difference, don´t you? It is a huge advantage. Now, these are only figures for the Wheel distance Differentiation platform (which is not a system).

Then we have the Frequency Distance Differentiation that involves physics dealing with fundamental Frequency and Harmonics. ( I told you that in the first email I sent u).

The advantage, a player has with those platforms, is even higher and more consistent (and in roulette consistency is important). The visual ballistics you talk about do not work. No AP player using VB has ever made any good money on roulette. If they would have, the Casinos would have lost millions on any given month.

Have you earned any good money on what you deem to be basic visual ballistics? I don´t think so.

In my Team of platform testers (they are presently 19) I have two guys who are very experienced Visual Ballistic players.  One is from Monte Carlo, France and the other one from Belgium. When they compared tests with my platforms contra their own results from VB they saw a clear and huge difference in stability of consistent winnings, very low dips of losses (very High positive Win Loss ratio) and above all they have had lots of fun applying my platforms on Online Casino roulette wheels (live dealers or auto roulette).

They received the platforms, that I have been developing for many years, for free and of course have won a lot of money with them. In return, I only asked for continuous test reports from every casino session they have with my platforms according to a specific protocol.

See images from our testforum below.

As you may understand I have nothing to prove to you because I don´t need to. I never sell my platforms because I don´t need the money. I have just tried to be polite and answered some of your questions that might inspire you to develop something similar of your own.

Thank you.



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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2017, 04:38:09 PM »


Thomas i am not here to make enemy - i just have to express my opinion.
When i illustrate physics i do so at a very basic level - just to illustrate what is not a independent random spin - when you estimate and measuring.

I understand that some one can explore variance and find 3 STDV.
But when is based upon random parameters then is nothing else then measuring random against random using math and probability.
Then when there is a trigger you may ride the wave or bet against it with the same random principal as using any other known number sequence.

That is what i see and read when i glance at your writing.

But i know strange things can correlate and happen with the wheel, so i am not absolute determine with my opinions, i might change my mind and understand that there is a way.

I known bias player once measuring a strange signature where you measuring the pocket count difference between outcome towards outcome and reach a 7 STDV sector with 11 pockets.
That is not random.

I save this topic from Toby (bias player) and Laruance Scott reply.
But had a hard time to locate it among my material.

The point is that i am not looking for your method or any other person method.
I try to understand.
And i feel you fail to explain some very basic concepts with your method.

For example you could explain more in detail about one particular cw result has 45 mapping distances with differential values - with out telling how your method works in detail - Then you could for example state that one area will sleep and a wider larger area will be active. The high probability area.
Where you pin point out a smaller sector in your favour.
Then it become more clear then fuzzy.

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2017, 07:56:28 PM »
Sputnick, there is nothing strange in signature on bias wheel. Distances are limited to (+/-18). If you drow arrows from previous number to next, they will naturally display bias section ( where arrows pointing moust)...
  I use this a lot.
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2017, 07:37:42 PM »


Yes i understand and i don't search for enemy and i know you know that Thomas use roulette system.
It does not matter he use math and probability or try to explore variance using different parameters.
Still roulette system as outcome distance to next cw outcome has no physical relation that limit the random process so bias pattern can emerge.

This is the reason i made simple example with basic visual ballistic solution that narrow down the spinning process to be less random when you use release number towards outcome distances.
Then at least they are based upon similar ball/rotor speed for each and every spin that make the likelihood that distance will be same or similar and create bias pattern to emerge.

We all know this can not be done online as they not allow us the given time to measuring and estimate using physics.
So Thomas can claim he use physics and advantage play with positive expectation, but is all a lie.

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2017, 08:16:56 PM »
 Sputnik,  sometimes player has to think outside of the box... then he can find interesting correlations even online.
   I do not know how Thomas play, to tell truth, couldn't be bothered to try really understand. ... l read superficially his posts.
   But what l sou there is that he look more things then just a distance.
   Online play for ds is posible, it just depend on what exactly one call ds in the first place. If it bare distances between numbers, then probably no... but if player take everything that dealer does as ds, with proper wheel profile.. ets, then it will be what l do, and it's definitely posible even online.
    There are many variables governing game, many of these can be correlated with outcome... prediction is not always the strongest one of them...
 

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Re: Dealer's signature
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2017, 09:52:18 PM »

Guys
Just how do you calculate Standard Deviations using only the last 10 or 20 spins ?
Just how does noting the distances between spins amount to an Advantage ?
Professional Mathematicians will tell you that supposed correlations between past spins are the result of variance.
You talk about Physics .Name one Physicist that agrees that your ideas are valid ?
 Just like Method Players you are only  making educated guesses .
 
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« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2017, 02:10:40 AM »
 Scepticus,  please explain wich exactly " pro mathematicians" have told you such a thing? In short, show me these fellows and l will show you cretins.
    " Spin" is an action of the ball ( what the ball does on ball track). You can easily correlate spins to the results of spins ( numbers/ distances). Vb/ds/ bias play teach how to do it.
   Correlation between past spins are result of physical conditions wich are present in the game in time when these spins took place. Your pro math guys should mind their business instead of making statements about applied physics and stats. I didn't really understand what is it about variance creating correlation... You better ask these guys if you understand them correctly.
    Distances between spins??? What in this world do you mean by that??? I'm puzzled.
     Please could you explain why would we need to confirm our "ideas" with some random dude, even if he is physicist? In fact anyone can confirm it for himself, multilap stop watch, pen / paper and a bit of brain and you are good to go. Physics behind AP is very straightforward,  you should be able to operate this level of knowledge after public school. 
   No need to demonise AP, it's a simple and straightforward logic, tools used are common public knowledge.  Just need to make some studies on your own, in Internet ege is as simple as ask Google or YouTube.  Of course not everything is explained,  but nothing is really hiden... you can get books, courses,  tutorials almost about any qwestion you may get.