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scepticus

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A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« on: June 06, 2017, 07:02:53 PM »

What would you class as the minimum  average weekly profit needed to qualify as a Professional Roulette Player ?
In the UK   a " Living Wage " is reckoned to be about £300 per week and the Average Wage is about £ 600 .
Perhaps those in the forum who are roulette professionals could  give us guidance on this ?
Obviously there would be good weeks and bad weeks but they could give their Average weekly profit .
As a guide to the rest of us perhaps they could tell us what their Betting Bankroll is.
I suggest you consider your country's average earnings as a guide .


 
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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2017, 10:58:42 PM »
Scep....

I'm not a roulette pro by any stretch......but if I could match or maybe slightly exceed a week's nominal paycheck...I would be giddy. I would guess here in America that would be around $230-$250, roughly the equivalent to 300 Pounds. I would like to make about 60 bucks a day for 5 days (per week).
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 06:56:03 AM »
There are no " minimum  average weekly profit needed to qualify as a Professional Roulette Player ".

Professional player is such, who know how to play, that to win - that is main. And all winings depends on bets - if player can win 300 - that means that he can win also 3000 only by increasing bets 10 times.

But you must understand that no matter professional or not are some comfortable betting limits. Not many can easy bet 100 per number, but 1-5 maybe for  95% is easy. Explanattion to that is possible risk.Even is play professional his knowing about his advantage is from previous time, so in future all can be and player simply not want to risk realitive bigger money than it needs for achieving his aim. So usually player choose play 5 hours for wining 1000 , when with increasing bets he that can do in 1 hour.
If for you is interesting simply numbers  how much in averidge wins professionals , so can say from mine experience, that advantage against casino in 99% will be in range 2-10% if to count overal advantage say per year, and more  to lower side....If to talk about bancroll, then need determine what is bancroll ? If say i go to trip with 10 000, so what will be if i will lost that 10 000 ? Nothing, that is still not last mine money and if i see again  good table - I always can go to bancomat and take another 10 000. So depends what you name as bancroll.....
 
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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2017, 07:46:41 AM »

Not many in this world can really claim to fully live on a monthly income from consistent roulette play. For this purpose, you do not only need strong nerves, but also good money management, a stable system, (or like me, who play both B&M Casinos and Online Casinos the latter which I find preferable due to my good software platform) the ability to devote at least 12 -20 hours a week to this game compared to an ordinary job that usually would demand 40 hours per week.

In my country, the average gross income is around 2,500€/ month. Skilled labor earn 3-3,500€/ month and of course positions like physicians, solicitors, and higher administrative jobs offer salaries around 5-7,500€/month.

Consequently, in my eyes, and based on the salary of my old job that earned me 4,300€ month, as a professional player (not a gambler), I decided that if my monthly game couldn't generate at least an income AT PAR with my previous income I would not waste time on it.

Other factors, for devoting energy and time for roulette play, were the great interest and enjoyment of the game as a source of steady income, once my software platforms started to work with a consistent stability without any loss of bankroll at any given game.

Having had the aid of a great test team that up till this day has tested my platforms with hundred of thousands of spins from live wheels (not RNG) and during that entire period never busted their bankroll or ended a session with more than 10% loss from an original session bankroll of 500 units (with a stop loss of 150 units on a bad session which still is an extremely rare event compared to many that ended in a Return of Risk Capital with over 50-80% profit).

The Casinos I have chosen carefully through years of play, are extremely good casinos in terms of fast payout service at any given request of withdrawal, and above all, they do not present any protest if I request a withdrawal above the ordinary daily limit (usually 2,500€) because I have VIP status due to my monthly high wagering turnover in those casinos.

My average betting size on each spin is fixed to 14 units/spin, and the average unit size is between 2-5€s.

I play two sessions every day (afternoon and evening) each session being on an average between 60-80 spins.

My wagering average is thus on a daily basis
min 1,600 € (2e units) to 4,200€ (5€ units).
Average profit per session is set to a strict 150 units ( which is 30% of my daily bankroll of 500 units) with a stop loss of 150 units.

Weekly income this year has been so far around 2,400€ (based on 2€ units). I consider that a fair income considering the involved EI (Enviromental Interference) -effects that come with the game when compared to an ordinary carefree job.

Had it been lower I would have devoted time to Black Jack instead or even poker (which I find boring compared to roulette).

And let me make one thing very clear about the above. I always play the wheel and its numbers (straights) - never the table. I use the RACE TRACK as main betting area and the table only for adding to the sector width of any bet..

The table itself as a source of steady income  is a loser on the long run, at least if you want to live professionally on the game. Those here who think otherwise are either dreamers or liars. Pascal himself and even Einstein tried to find a way to beat the Table and failed miserably (Pascal almost going famously mad on his countless attempts). And believe me when I say, many , many exceptionally smart people after them have equally failed to win consistently on the table without falling pray for the HE combined with the interference of negative variance found in said table configuration of the numbers.

Most roulette gamblers (not players) are quite reckless at the table. They have usually no notion of their previous betting sizes, they have little or no discipline or self-control, and many times their emotions governs their minds rather than rational thought combined with good applicable science. The latter is what causes many "system" players that due to fear, self-doubt when the negative variance starts to kick in, abandon their system and start betting side bets which faster erodes their bank roll with each new loss.

A professional Player has none of these negative factors, because he knows his daily goal of income will be met if a strict protocol according to his system (or platform when playing online) is followed to a T, and also that time is actually on his side if he chose to use time as factor against the casino and instead of against himself (impatience), and there is nothing the Casino can do to force him to bet when variance conditions are not favorable.

This is why the Casinos remain the winners and the gamblers always the losers. The few good professional players that live of this game are not considered any threat to the Casinos and are often treated with VIP status because in the end the Casino thinks their House Edge will win back all that it has payed out if they can only keep the player in the game long enough.
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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2017, 11:32:40 AM »

I've replied you to my thread but since you've start a new topic I'm going to post my response also here.

First let me get one thing straight, what we call a ''whale'' in gambling language is not a professional.
A ''whale'' is gambling large amounts of money without any advantage over the game, while a professional player makes his/her living solely by betting not necessarily huge amounts.

There is also a distinction between the one who is in positive balance over the long term but the profit cannot support his/her lifestyle because it's insufficient, this is what I call the part-timer.
Amateurs and part-timers make up for the 90% of all gamblers, while the rest 10% are the ''whales'' and the pros.

I'm aiming to win 100 up to 400 units per session, my bets have a net return from 3% up to 20% per session.
I play approximately 5 sessions per week and my average net profit is approximately 700 to 1000 units per week.

In my consideration a 10 Euros unit value is ideal because it's not too low, neither too high.
This way you don't attract unwanted attention by other players and casinos, also makes your time worth and generate the same profit faster.

All casinos around the world have at least 1 table with 10 $ or Euros minimum, but it's not the case for 5 $ or less.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 11:36:15 AM by BlueAngel »
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2017, 12:07:01 PM »
"I play approximately 5 sessions per week and my average net profit is approximately 700 to 1000 units per week.

In my consideration a 10 Euros unit value is ideal because it's not too low, neither too high."

If i will be  such AP like you i will not spend days here , but will travel through all world and will make money....
7K-10K per week .... :)
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2017, 12:21:35 PM »
If i will be  such AP like you i will not spend days here , but will travel through all world and will make money....
7K-10K per week .... :)

I can see you calculate well!:-)

I've played abroad at Ukraine, Italy, Las Vegas, Germany, Czech republic, Hungary, Romania, but I'd like to visit many more countries around the world.
How about you Bebe?

I'm young and have the time and the resources to do so, but it's great convenience the live wheels online because no matter where you are you have an available casino 24/7 as long as you've access to an internet connection.

I don't consider RNG's same as the physical conditions (wheel,dealer,ball), neither I gamble on RNG's.
From time to time I play BlackJack, but roulette is my first option.
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 12:42:32 PM »
I also played in few countries. but mine winings are not so stable as you write and i quite rare can play 10 $ per number, must be very good table that i will risk.
Of course sometimes i play 40-50$ so table max , but that is only when see something super good and when wins quite much.

Main problem i see , that i met several guys from forums and no one can show me what he claimed in forum or in talks in skype.....
As you talk looks that you play 10 times better than me, but mine past experience show other. Really i saw only few who play so significiant better.....
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 12:54:59 PM »
I've played abroad at Ukraine, Italy, Las Vegas, Germany, Czech republic, Hungary, Romania, but I'd like to visit many more countries around the world.

I've forgot to mention Bulgaria, UK, Serbia and at East coast of US, Providence state, ''Mohegan sun'' and ''Foxwoods''.

@ Bebe, it's possible to gain approximately 700 units net per 10 hours play.

Unit value could be as low as 0.01 and as high as 1000, a session's duration could be from 10 minutes up to 4 hours till first coup, it could continue further.
These are just my stats and in no way a universal standard.
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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2017, 01:01:55 PM »
And everywhere you win ? I will like to see such....
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2017, 01:09:43 PM »
And everywhere you win ? I will like to see such....

Not every day but every country, each country has many cities, each major city has several casinos...average a net profit in 1 up to 3 sessions, which might be from 1 up to 3 days.
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2017, 01:25:13 PM »
Very nice that you win, but from other side is very strange that you not say from where you have advantage...
There are no way to win , if you not know which number has higer probability to fall... If you win - means that you can divide numbers minimum to two groups - which have higer chance to hit and which are lower chance.. and that must have some reason which is possible to say in few words... why you simply not do that ???
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2017, 01:57:53 PM »

@ Bebedictus, I've many clues why a few numbers have better chance to hit than the rest.
It's all coming down to unequal distribution, few numbers don't show up for long time because during that time a few others were showing more than their probability.

This happens every single time up to a certain degree, it doesn't have to do with physical flaws but it's how variance behaves in a random game.
It's universal, you could exploit this permanent tendency in casinos all over the world!

I ask you, have you or anybody else witness 37 numbers in 37 spins?
And you'll never see such travesty occurring, if it ever happens it'd be the time I'd quit playing roulette forever!
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2017, 02:08:13 PM »
Thanks  Guys.
This thought came to me after Blue Angel revealed that he was a Roulette Professional. He is no “flash the cash “  Flash Harry so what profit level was he aiming for. ?
Sheridan’s   level was much the same as mine - enough to have a reasonable standard of living. So a reasonable profit level would be  “ Average Earnings “ or slightly below .
When most people talk about Roulette Professionals they seem to be thinking in terms of having a lavish lifestyle. So is is possible to win enough to have an “ average earnings lifestyle “ ?
Thanks to Thomas and BA we know that it certainly is because they earn more than this .
We know from Thomas’s experience that there is no problem in withdrawing  high level winnings .
Bebe’s winnings are insufficient to give him a good living but  as he wins he  only needs to increase the size of his bets  -  and bankroll -to get there.
Now to the nitty gritty .
I have said that my winnings are marginal but as I am a recreational player the amount of winnings are relatively unimportant . My main  aim is  - not to lose .
As an exercise ( in futility ? ) I will start with a bankroll of  £400 using bet size £2.5 and aim to increase these to £5 units then stop at that level .
And aim to  win  on average 100 units -  of whatever size - per week . ( 2.5 is the unit in Greece and Spain apparently )
How long this will take I do not know but  I aim to do this by doing what AP say is impossible - using The Table !
 

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Re: A Professional Roulette Player's Earnings
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2017, 02:31:08 PM »


I only know three person who make a living on gambling.

Real & Bebediktus on this forum board using physics.
The third person is making money on sport betting, casino games and write books and have hes own sport betting service.

I never meet or read about any member of this forum talk and behave like they only live on money from gambling using roulette systems. Because such person would at some point mention risk and return and talk about the psychological pressure.

I know and been talking to real players and they have money, way beyond 10K
But when you see and read about gamblers they take money from there monthly salary to play minimum stake.
Less then fiver members that are roulette system players has above 5K as bankroll for gambling.

For example when you read about a known roulette system player like Turbo Genius, then you know he has way beyond 10K as he win some times 3 to 6K using hes ideas tackle roulette.
And he not only claim with empty words, he put up with method to play and describe how he won.

Then that is a true punter in my book.

Spending time at forum boards and talk about making 300 Euro a week is pointless, my opinion.

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