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Sputnik

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Betting on streets
« on: June 04, 2017, 07:07:14 PM »


Kav i will share one thinking process i have.

Assume you have twelve street, then you know that at least five, four or three street will fall into sleep.
That is the end of the tracking when all numbers start to show.

During the process the numbers start to hit you will get four streets to hit or one dozen position.
Then what is the probability that the next four streets hits (second dozen) will hit thirteen times in a row with out the first four street to show at least once.

Now some one could state that the last sleeping five, four or three streets will hit among the second sample of four streets. That would mean that dozen two and dozen three would hit thirteen times in a row.
But that would not happen as no matter how many samples you run with simulation you have five, four or three streets sleeping and getting the second sample with four streets hitting thirteen times is once in a million.

So the expectation has to be that the four first street hitting will at some point hitting again during the process.
I think such process is better then betting sleepers to show.

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« Last Edit: June 05, 2017, 02:27:20 PM by Sputnik »


 
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2017, 07:19:49 PM »
A great idea that deserves its own topic.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 10:14:12 PM »
It's always make more sense to bet something that hitting. Unless you know why sleepers sleep. It generally helps to associate outcome with some variables that could be monitored, be it during current spin or few spins in the past...
    Roulette is very deterministic system , there is almost always some correlation to be found. Obviously there are some cases when it's not happens, but it's relatively rare. I found only one like that up till now.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 07:07:21 AM »
The best street system is to count the streets that show up. Once 3 streets emerge as the most frequent in appearance you play those 3 streets, until a profit. Then you restart or continue with a brand new count that you have already started midway while observing the first count.
The point it to make a profit then stop. Chasing the same frequents streets might backfire.
Don't expect the same streets to keep appearing for ever. Things change. Hot streets become cold and cold streets become hot. It's a continuously changing cycle.
You should only aim at a minimum and certain profit while some streets are hot. Then look for new hot streets. 
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 05:25:30 PM by palestis »
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 12:42:04 PM »

Sorry, I disagree with the above palestis comments.

IMO streets generally take 28 spins of tracking to reach their sweet spot.

Streets are best primed to trigger a bet after 28 spins or when 1 street remains un-hit, whichever comes first.

When calculating an equation for street bets it is important not to omit the zero streets. They are 0-1-2, and 0-2-3. This will result in a slight overlap when planning a betting structure, but at the same time adds two extra streets for consideration.

For any chance of long term success, street bets most probably require some form of progression. This should ideally be anywhere between 42 and 55 steps depending on aggression, and simultaneously ranging from table minimum to table maximum.

There is so much more to the streets. It is my opinion that the street bets are probably the best carpet positions to study for gaining an overall knowledge of roulette system play, from which one can expand and improve their game.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 12:57:48 PM by Trilobite »
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 12:52:46 PM »
 Trilobite,  wight best street egainst best 3 numbers on the wheel. What on your sencere opinion is better betting proposition?
   They pay when your street is hit, no doubts about that, but chances are that street may include one number that not that positive ( best street ).
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2017, 01:08:03 PM »
MrPerfect,

It's a loaded question that you ask.

Obviously, with the luxury and benefit of a reliable bias wheel tracking history, or an accurate VB wheel profile, then the best 3 numbers on the wheel is a no brainer superior bet.

Without those advantages, it really would make absolutely no difference at all whether the best three numbers were located on the wheel or on the carpet.

Even an AP playing three numbers that are edge worthy will at the same rate as a system player lose on two of those numbers.
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 04:54:54 PM »
Not necessarily like that. AP would compose his own steet consisting of 3 numbers that all are positive. In this case you could consider 2  numbers that loose in any winning spin as " investment".  Obviously sometimes can happen that all 3 numbers in the " street" are positive... but it's rare enough. 
    What lm trying to do is to put in minds of community the fact that player can choose his own combination of bets, even if they are not covered with common propositions on the table. TabLe is limited,  choice of numbers to bet- not. AP is just next logical step , where player choose combination of bets that is good for him to make money optimally. 
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 05:53:48 PM »

Sorry, I disagree with the above palestis comments.

IMO streets generally take 28 spins of tracking to reach their sweet spot.

Streets are best primed to trigger a bet after 28 spins or when 1 street remains un-hit, whichever comes first.
Well,  if you  count the dots on the layout in the picture, it took 34 spins to have the 3 streets 10-12, 16-18 and 31-33  become hotter than the others. Even at 28 spins of tracking, 2 of the streets showed that they were ahead. Which means playing just those streets you would've had at least one profitable hit,  without going into a long progression. In the mean time you can start a separate simultaneous tracking  10-12 spins after the previous count.
That way once you have a profit from the 1st tracking, you will have a second set of new data with 2-3 new streets that became hot. Then you bet on those.
You can't assume that what is hot now, will remain hot for ever.
It's much better and much safer, to assume at least one repeat of a hot trend in the past 25-35 spins.
and take advantage of that, without the risk of being too greedy.
 Having a new tracking after every 10-12 spins will ensure that you are always on top of short term trends.

 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 06:55:34 PM »
Palestice,  it's nice to look past spins and see some dominance, but how to back in time to profit from it?  In case of AP we collect some variables during the spin, then associate them to outcomes looking for some relationship. When in play, we observe variables to determine if bet or not... there obviously is reasonable expectations to profit, wich is statistically significant and can be traced in time as a process. ..
    Why hits of streets in past spins matter? What makes you belive that such a phenomenon is a reason to bet?
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 07:11:41 PM »
« Last Edit: June 24, 2017, 07:24:33 PM by palestis »
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 07:23:57 PM »
I did not say to look at past spins and bet on the predominant streets for the rest of the session in that roulette. 
But it is reasonable to assume that among 2-3 streets that were hot in recent spins, one of them will repeat AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. That is enough to make a small profit. Then there will be other streets that will become hot and  we will expect at least ONE OF THEM to repeat one more time.
Maybe other members assume that a trend based on past spins will be going on for ever.
 I am against that thought. It doesn't work. But " at least one more time " is very reasonable and very possible.
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 07:29:29 PM »
It's not safe to assume that. Trend may continue or break. It's 50/50... but payment for a hit is unfair. You obviously free to think as you wish, but to consider your opinion for my own use , l would like to see reasonability of it in some examples.
   I got 1m spins sample, post rulls how to determine where to bet and we may test it. 1m should be enough to see if it may or may not work.
 

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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 09:11:18 PM »
I'd rather have a 50:50 chance playing 9 numbers (for 3 streets), or 6 numbers (for 2 streets), than having a 50:50 chance with 18 numbers.
In the example below, 31-33 was one of the hot streets. and then 32 hit.
If you recorded a new trend 34-36 was going to be one of the hot streets, and as you can see there are a few 34's and 36's further down the list.
I don't expect all the hot streets to continue the trend. All I am asking for is one of them to show up one more time.
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Re: Betting on streets
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 11:19:26 PM »
If you ever achieve 50:50 chance on 9 numbers consistently, you will be a very rich fellow, casinos will offer you membership in their earnings to prevent you from playing. I'm not mentioning 50:50 chance on 6 numbers ;).