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#### Sheridan44

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##### "Finals"
« on: May 06, 2017, 11:00:02 AM »

The concept of "Finals" are the groupings of numbers with the same last (or only) digit.

Finals ending with zero have five numbers each (four on the Euro Wheel), 1 through 6 have four each, and 7 through 9 have three each.

I have modified the table image below to simplify the concept. Many interesting ways to slice it up indeed.

There are many ways to carve up the layout if one is so inclined. The only limit is our imagination...
« Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 04:26:49 PM by Sheridan44 »

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#### palestis

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 02:44:47 PM »
Many good systems come out of using finals.
My favorite is the "grouping of finals".
For example 1234 finals can be grouped into 3 Quads and 2 spits.
1-2-4-5,  11-12-14-15,  31-32-34-35, and splits 21/24, 22/25.
2356 finals can be grouped into 3 quads and 2 splits as well.
2-3-5-6, 22-23-25-26, 32-33-35-36 quads and 12/15, 13/16 splits.
4578 has 4-5-7-8 and 14-15-17-18 quads and 24/27, 25/28, 34/35 splits.
5689 has 5-6-8-9 and 25-26-28-29- quads and 15/18, 16/19, 35/36 splits.
0178 has 7-8-10-11 and 17-18-20-21 quads and 0/1, 27/30 and 28/31 splits.
1289 has 8-9-11-12, 28-29-31-32 quads and 1/2, 18/21, 19/22 splits.
0239 has 19-20-22-23 and 29-30-32-33 quads , 9/12, 10/13 splits and 0-2-3 street.
There maybe some others.
Under circumstances they can be bet with 2 units on the quads and 1 unit on the splits.
Usually I wait till 3 finals are missing ( have to be in one of the above groups) for 10-12 spins and then bet the group of the 4 finals that COMPLETE the quad I mentioned above.

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#### funtomas76

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 08:30:59 PM »
Simple system for finals:

Watch last 6 spins.

If a final has come two times within the last 6 spins, now bet this final until win, but not more than 6 times. (except finals 7 8 9).

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#### palestis

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 04:05:44 AM »
I am not sure about that Funtomas.
I tried this procedure 4 times in a row and the repeated final did not show up in the next 6 spins.
However it looks more promising if the repeated final is the only one and there are no other repeated finals in the 6 numbers under observation ( trigger).
It's worth investigating it more seriously, since only 4 numbers are played and the payout is tremendous. Recovery should also be easy.
In fact I see more successes if only one final is repeated in the range of 6 spins.
But I can see some red flags.
-Avoid a final that was played and won in the previous trigger.
-Avoid a final that was repeated, but also it came again in the spins preceding the 6 trigger spins.
These are my preliminary findings.
But it sure looks promising.
I like the fact that you only play 4 numbers. Even a bad sequence can be easily recovered with very few hits.
I think to make this system a winner you have to go thru these steps.
1. Determine the trigger. I think more than 6 spins would be better if only one final has been repeated.
2. Determine all red flags.
3. determine progression.
I think I can make this system a winner.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 04:08:24 AM by palestis »

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 11:03:32 AM »
Preliminary tests so far have been proven VERY PROMISING.
I wait till there are two same finals in a group of 4 numbers. Then play all numbers of that final for 8 spins.
Red lines mean lost spins @4 or 3 (if its 7-8-9 final) units per spin.
Blue circles indicate that the played final showed up. Indicating 36 units won.
In this example there were 97 red lines, indicating 97x4=388 units lost.
There were 12 blue circles indicating 12x36=432 units won.
All bets were flat. No progression so far.
After a loss it's ok to go backwards till you find 4 numbers, 2 of which have a repeated final.
In this example it was a difficult case, but it still came out a winner.
In other tests the results were more impressive.
I am sure there is plenty of room for tweaks and or some progression.
But as is I haven't seen the system losing yet.

« Last Edit: May 08, 2017, 05:27:01 PM by palestis »

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2017, 09:21:26 AM »
No matter how I try I can't get it to lose.
(that is playing one final and its 4 or 3 numbers).
2 same finals in a group of 4 spins is the trigger. Then play that final (4 or 3 numbers) for 8 spins.
In this example there were 81 losses or 324 units ( and that's not counting only 3 numbers in case of 7,8,9).
But the profit was 14 hits @36 units each hit. Or 504 units. A net profit of 180 units in one session.
VERY LOW RISK system. Only 4 or 3 numbers played.
One hit recovers a large number of losses. (especially if it comes early in the 8 spins played).
I have done many tests and there's never been a loss.
I don't believe it's a coincidence.

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2017, 09:39:20 AM »
Very interesting.  I am a newbie to roulette and so this concept of "finals" just doesn't phase me.

Would I be correct in saying that its not the fact that we are betting finals but instead 2 normally appearing (at least) and recently appearing numbers and 2 numbers that haven't hit for at least 4 spins?

Wouldn't we get the same results if we played any 2 numbers from the last 4 spins and any 2 numbers that were not in the last 4 spins?

If I was to choose 4 types of numbers to bet and design a custom trigger, I would want to bet:

1) repeater
2) normally appearing
3) sleeping
4) random

And so I would first need to see a repeater in the last 10 spins (trigger).  I would bet that number and the 10th number back (or 9th back if its my trigger number).  I would  also bet the first number on the felt that doesn't appear in the last 10 spins, alternating from the scanning starting point of 0, 19 & 36 (scanning upwards).  Finally (<=== lol), I would choose my last number completely at random for a wildcard.  If I lose, spin twice to clear the board.

Maybe this would even do better than finals which have almost no reasoning behind them?

As I said I am a newbie and so I understand if I am missing something...

I like how this is a flat bet system.  Maybe it will attract some flat bet enthusiasts.
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#### Sheridan44

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 03:20:48 PM »
Reyth.... perhaps Pale is looking at certain finals combinations as they relate to their positions on the wheel and/or layout. Correct - on the surface it seems you could pick any number(s).
Some of them likely form irregular clusters... and he alludes to the use of quads and splits in his first post above. Their location could influence betting structure also. I haven't had time to study it yet. His results seem to be impressive so far.
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#### Reyth

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2017, 04:14:17 PM »
From what I understand, he is betting 3-4 numbers S/U.  I like the flat betting and it seems to win frequently enough.

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 07:25:53 PM »
Very interesting.  I am a newbie to roulette

This was a joke, wasn't it?

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 07:28:42 PM »
Actually no.  What I mean is that I don't have a "classical roulette education" where I use the racetrack, call bets & finals etc.  So because of this, I may be blind to some factor of finals that makes a difference; e.g. the numbers are always spread out on the felt, occupying all 3 dozens? :shrug:
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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 07:39:13 PM »
Finals are one of the most interesting chances for me, because the zero is always included in finding trigger.

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 08:02:09 PM »
Perhaps, someone should bring Rinad in on this one.....just a thought. He has the experience for a progression,(if needed), and the patience to play it live, for testing purposes. It also seems right up his alley.      Best, juice

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 10:33:39 PM »
Very interesting.  I am a newbie to roulette and so this concept of "finals" just doesn't phase me.

Would I be correct in saying that its not the fact that we are betting finals but instead 2 normally appearing (at least) and recently appearing numbers and 2 numbers that haven't hit for at least 4 spins?

Wouldn't we get the same results if we played any 2 numbers from the last 4 spins and any 2 numbers that were not in the last 4 spins?
No it's not the same.
Playing that way we expect one of two things to happen.
A repetition of one of the 2 numbers in the last 4 spins, or the appearance of one of two numbers that haven't shown up. The question is how to pick those 2 numbers that haven't appeared.
We have to determine how to pick those 2 absent numbers. It could very well be that these 2 numbers are cold and therefore too risky to chase them.
As far as picking 2 recently appeared numbers, that's risky as well.
Some systems require to play the last 5 unique numbers.
And they have proven not to show up for 15+ spins. Picking only 2 numbers to repeat is vague, and the sky is the limit how long it would take to show up again.
The advantage of finals is that you only have to deal with 10 groups of numbers.  0-9.
And players that have dealt with system that involve finals can vouch that finals behave differently.
Besides in this particular system, the finals to be played change all the time. Therefore the target changes all the time.
Again it's a case of a constantly changing target,  which forces the roulette to constantly do opposite zig zags in order to defeat you.  And this is very rare.
But in any case, your suggestion can be tested to see if it works.
Pick any 4 numbers and play them for 8 spins. Then pick another 4 numbers and do the same.
The results should clearly indicate if its the same as the case of finals.
In my opinion the most robust systems are built around finals.
I have been dealing with them for over 15 years. ---------------------------------

And here is yet another finals system to think about and study.
We make a table with the finals from 1 to 0.
Looking at the numbers we dot the final of each number spun.
The finals of the numbers in the light yellow shaded area is transferred in the finals tally table.
Immediately we notice that the finals of 3,5,and 9, lag behind /or didn't appear at all.
They form their own special GROUP.
Do you notice that the finals of 3,5,9 come in groups when one of them appears?
Needless to say that by playing just those 11 numbers (3-13-23-33, 5-15-25-35, 9-19-29), the profit would've been incredible.
You just start the betting whenever one of those 3 finals (3,5,9) appears. You stop betting if they don't show up for3-4  spins. Then restart when one of them reappears.

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##### Re: "Finals"
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 01:23:52 AM »
I am quite surprised that this method has not gain more traction in this forum. With all the people following other people's ideas, I would have thought palestis's hard work would have been snagged and built upon.
Sheridan, this is a great topic, thanks for starting it.

I will look forward to computer guys coding this, it seems pretty basic compared to the other stuff I see them code
Terminator, this appears right up your alley, jump in the waters fine! Eddy, you too.......
OR , just tell me to shut up, dealers choice~.     juice

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