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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2017, 05:25:00 PM »
Sure Kav. Reyth suggested (in reply #25 and 26) that there may be a way to know which numbers have a higher expectation to HIT based upon how long it's been since it's last hit. For example, if it's been 300 spins since a certain number hit, the expectation is huge that it will hit soon. I think Reyth's suggesting we take advantage of this by either moving one of our bets to THAT area, OR to simply increase our bets on that current number.

I suggested that his new program for Bullseye may work in this case for the 4 pillars:
http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=648.msg22946#msg22946
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2017, 06:11:26 PM »


We would start by selecting the strongest possible quad for our 2 units.  Then we could identify 2 streets and 3 splits that we would wish to avoid and bet the rest.

I am pretty sure Kav doesn't like this because of the reverse engineering curse.

Another problem is that the Bullseye method is designed to avoid catastrophic losses and is not concerned with when hits take place, only that the hits are more likely within our progression. 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2017, 06:21:43 PM »
Can someone please clarify the POSITIVE progression mentioned for Koko's adjustment? I understand how much to increase and on what bets. My confusion is WHAT constitutes a HIT? Do we increase all bets ONLY when the CORE numbers are hit? Or when ANY corner is hit? Or if ANY of our bets are hit at all?

I am assuming when ANY bet hits, then we increase all out bets at the same time. Yes?

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2017, 06:48:00 PM »
Thanks for help guys.

Any successful hit on any of our bets is a HIT. Koko has changed the bet selection. I have to admit that I like a lot his selection. He bet 14-18 with 2 units and with one unit on 0-1-2-3, 7-9, 19-23,25-29,31-35. Covering 23 numbers with 7 units (instead of the initial 24 numbers with 6 chips). Koko's selection is great. The main problem is the progression imho. But we have Koko and ptzelepis making good money with Oscar's grin.

What I think is a possible better progression is a kind of stepped d'Alembert. You play groups of 3 spins. If the group is 3 losses you increase by 1. If the group is 3 wins you decrease by 1. Otherwise you stay.
What I also like very much is a D'Alembert-Oscar combination. In the first one or two steps you increase after losses. Then if losses persist you stay and increase after winning steps (waiting for our selection to become hot).
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2017, 06:56:45 PM »
Thanks KAV. And Reyth's improvement of moving the 31 corner over to the 36 corner was ingenious also, it really helps the 3rd column hit more.

I've tried many progressions so far, and for me the best results have been using KAV's following suggestion:

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Or alternatively, increase* only after a hit on the main corner (14,15,17,18)

So, I keep all 7 bets  the same. I look for the highest profit made during the spins. Once the CORE numbers hit, I compare my current high with the last high. If it's the same amount or higher, I keep all bets the same (7 units total). However, if it's BELOW the previous high, I increase all bets.

I keep all bets at this level until the next time the CORE numbers are hit, and compare again. When it's tied or better, I go back to level 1. If it's not, I increase again.

This is great for lower bankrolls. Thanks for that suggestion KAV! And thanks for posting your 4 Pillars method!
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2017, 07:13:01 PM »
Thank YOU for reminding me this! I have too m any thoughts in my mind I have forgotten this!
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2017, 08:57:24 PM »
Hey Term, I like your progression.  Its very conservative but it will fight HARD when it has to!  Drawdown was about 500 units to gain a total of 75.

Another session was less than 100 units to gain over 90 units.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2017, 10:15:00 PM »
Wow, thanks for sharing your results, Reyth. It does not seem so great when you put it like that.

My results have been slightly different. I have been starting with 150 units, and I have made from 50 to 300 units profit each time WITHOUT going bust. I played about 15 games so far. I have never ended with a losing session yet.

I guess I have been running lucky? But I do have an additional stop loss AFTER I start making a profit. For example, once I make 100 units profit, I will only be risking like 50 units (not 150) from that point on. So, if I have a bad streak all of a sudden, I will leave with 50 units profit.
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2017, 10:25:05 PM »
So far I have won every one of my 3 games with significant profit and 2 times with no major drawdown.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2017, 10:38:27 PM »
Awesome!
 

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #55 on: May 09, 2017, 07:32:36 AM »
An interesting "retreat" idea has presented itself but I am not sure if it can be effectively implemented.  It is possible to ONLY bet the quad and not the other numbers (i.e. remove those chips) for a period of time.

This sort of strategy is typically employed when we want to "soak up losses" and to mitigate the effects of long losing streaks.  Maybe a trigger of 1 loss or 2 losses in a row to start it.

Of course the other alternative is to bet 100% virtually but of course we then risk missing a hit on our quad.

So maybe this idea can't work but I thought it was interesting to document anyway.
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2017, 09:03:21 AM »
But I do have an additional stop loss AFTER I start making a profit. For example, once I make 100 units profit, I will only be risking like 50 units (not 150) from that point on. So, if I have a bad streak all of a sudden, I will leave with 50 units profit.

Bravo!
This old bankroll management stuff is very important and should be a whole new topic.
It is a long time I want to implement a rule like this.
The problem is how to divide playing sessions. Each time to visit the online casino? Each visit to the casino?
And most importantly, what if you just won 20 units? You put the rule into action immediately? So now you only risk 10 units?

Let's discuss Bankroll management here
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2017, 08:06:25 AM »
I'd like to share this screenshot from Roulette RX testing 4 pillars system.
There was a major fall back, but it recovered using Oscar's Grin progression method.

Any comment or question welcome!
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2017, 10:38:33 AM »
Wow very nice!  That downswing is almost your entire table bank, apparently a larger bank is required?

Have you tried Term's flat bet method until your corner hits and then raise +1 if behind and repeat until profit?  Can you replay that last game using that progression?

Grats on recovering so well! :D
 
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2017, 11:14:15 AM »
Yes, I have observed such unfavorable results too.
I don't think that Oscar's grin or a larger bankroll is the best answer.
Like I posted before:
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What I think is a possible better progression is a kind of stepped d'Alembert. You play groups of 3 spins. If the group is 3 losses you increase by 1. If the group is 3 wins you decrease by 1. Otherwise you stay.
What I also like very much is a D'Alembert-Oscar combination. In the first one or two steps you increase after losses. Then if losses persist you stay and increase after winning steps (waiting for our selection to become hot).
 
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