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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #615 on: May 09, 2017, 07:36:11 PM »
I went offtopic, that wasn't my point, sorry.

I will try to think about recovery progression, which is similar to Talos's, if I get something on my mind, surely I will write here.
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #616 on: May 09, 2017, 08:19:39 PM »
Dandy, all Talos plays is air ball, and he is a winner for sure. I do agree with you in so much as, airball is rigged to a certain extent, but not by the casinos, but rather the manufactures. The casinos are just the only ones that know "to what extent", this unfair edge holds. I have read cover to cover the U.S. patent for interblock organix roulette airball, double 00 consoles, and the verbiage even leads the reader to believe that there is an integrity issue. I have seen, like many, my money take a one way trip to......
" MONEY HEAVEN " , and for reasons that fall far out side the most radical deviation from the norm on a real wheel. But Talos has figured out how to not PISS OFF, the roulette gods in this respect....
Perhaps it is because he has learned how to take small bites and is happy with that.
Anyway...welcome to the forum~      Best Regards, The juice
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #617 on: May 09, 2017, 10:20:37 PM »
Dandy, all Talos plays is air ball, and he is a winner for sure. I do agree with you in so much as, airball is rigged to a certain extent, but not by the casinos, but rather the manufactures. The casinos are just the only ones that know "to what extent", this unfair edge holds. I have read cover to cover the U.S. patent for interblock organix roulette airball, double 00 consoles, and the verbiage even leads the reader to believe that there is an integrity issue. I have seen, like many, my money take a one way trip to......
" MONEY HEAVEN " , and for reasons that fall far out side the most radical deviation from the norm on a real wheel. But Talos has figured out how to not PISS OFF, the roulette gods in this respect....
Perhaps it is because he has learned how to take small bites and is happy with that.
Anyway...welcome to the forum~      Best Regards, The juice

From my personal expirence with airball, roulette did the craziest stuff when I  betting on same outcome with progression, actually majority of players repeat bet with same sectors, even money, 3:1... and I saw really wired stuff on the wheel indeed.
If we assume that every spin is random, it's not really important at all what we play, numbers, even money, col,doz, sectors on wheel, everything is deception.
Machine for sure have trigger to stop you in your intention based on deception your brain follows, when somebody playing martingale for next 10 spins on RED for example.

It is possible that with some crazy random pattern with conservative recovery progression, machine can't recognize that is actually progression method.

More levels of  recovery progression with conservative approach like FREQUENCY write in his post is maybe good direction.

Stupid example
1st level numbers 24,24,24,24,18,24,24,24,24,18
2nd level less numbers than 1st level E.G. 8,8,8,8,6,8,8,8,8,6
3rd level less numbers than 2nd level E.G. 4,4,4,4,2,4,4,4,4,2
4th level E.G. just one number for next hundred of spins till bank go broke.

1st level numbers, we can easy implement somekind of linear progression with very low amount of units... for example
24 numbers, 1 unit bet, 0.5won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 2 units bet, 2 consecutive wins, 1won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 4 units bet, 2 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 8 units bet, 2 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
18 numbers, 8 units bet, 2 consecutive wins,  1 won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 16 units bet, 3 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 20 units bet, 4 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 30 units bet, 4 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
24 numbers, 36 units bet, 4 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose
18 numbers, 63 units bet, 2 consecutive wins, 1 won-game done, if lose... next level of progression...

2-4 consecutive wins on 18-24 numbers betting, is not so hard actually, probably sooner or later our streak will occur in some point of first level progression, but if we lost it...

In next level, we assume that we are 188 units down, we must play more aggressive on less numbers.
If 188 units is 10% of our bankroll for example, we are not in any danger... in next levels with less numbers game is just beginning.

I would like to have more time to think about this, but I'm actually very busy in next period, if you have some idea, for second level of progression with less numbers, and 10-15% bankroll profit in the end, for 1 unit total profit, share it.

2nd Edit: I reconsider my progression strategy, I didn't calculate it well, it is not correct, it can't be played like this... sorry, I write that in hurry  :)
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #618 on: May 11, 2017, 10:40:00 PM »
I was testing some progressions and the i stumbled into what looks like a Martingale-Parachute system:

18   1        +1
18   2        +1
18   4        +1
12   4  -11   +1
12   6  -17   +1
12   9  -26   +1
9    9  -35   +1
9    12 -47   +1
6    10 -57   +3
6    12 -69   +3
6    14 -83   +1 
4    12 -95   +1
4    14 -109  +3
3    10 -119  +1
3    11 -130  +2
3    12 -142  +2
3    13 -155  +1
3    15 -170  +10
3    16 -186  +6
3    17 -203  +1
2    12 -215  +1 
2    13 -228  +6
2    14 -242  +10 
2    15 -257  +13
2    16 -273  +15 
2    17 -290  +16
2    18 -308  +16               
2    19 -327  +15
2    20 -347  +13
2    21 -368  +10
2    22 -390  +6
2    23 -413  +1
1    12 -425  +7
1    13 -438  +30
1    13 -451  +17
1    13 -464  +4
1    14 -480  etc.+1/35             
1    14 -494
1    15 -509
1    15 -524
1    15 -539
1    16 -555
1    16 -571
1    17 -588
1    17 -605
1    18 -623
1    18 -641                   
1    19 -660
1    19 -679
1    20 -699
1    20 -719
1    21 -740
1    22 -762
1    22 -784
1    23 -807
1    24 -831
1    24 -855
1    25 -880
1    26 -906
1    26 -932
1    27 -959
1    28 -987         

A duration of 62 spins with a total of 230 numbers played using a bankroll of 1000 units.

Maybe Talos somehow managed to expand a progression like this so it could handle 260+ spins and huge loss streaks.

Oops, i miscalculated the payouts for quads, but no big deal.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2017, 11:17:08 PM by Frequency »
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #619 on: May 12, 2017, 10:23:11 AM »
I definitely believe there is a connection between the Talos system and the Parachute, especially the Delayed Parachute that I demonstrated on the forum video.
 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #620 on: May 12, 2017, 12:43:38 PM »


   
     remember that you can play more then 1 parachute at a time, which I think can catapult  your odds of winning.  and you would not need a bigger BR necessarily.

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #621 on: May 12, 2017, 09:14:18 PM »

Perhaps this might be of some use...

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #622 on: May 23, 2017, 08:19:31 AM »
OK, Terminator is right, The law of third is the weakness of the wheel. Well, you all should know

There will be repeaters and the numbers that have come can only be a repeater. So we can narrow down the bet selection and you see that Dr. Talos is doing this. I'm sorry I come with this info too late. I recommend you experiment with it and you see how easy it's to predict where the hits are going to be. No it's not the what number is next method but it greatly improves your odds of hitting if you know this.

Simple and effective. The weakness of the wheel is that there is never 37 different numbers in 37 spins. Numbers that have hit once have great probability to be a number that has hit twice and so on.

Now the bet selection is decoded I Think and now we will hack the progression and that's it. I was also thinking that If we could have a right progression with the law of the third we could make that way the HG.

Just bet the numbers that have come and repeaters will do the profit for us. Long 37 spin progression for all the numbers that have come. Like he said before that he pics the number that has come as a pattern.

Sorry for this delay. :D

Yep, I just think that I have discovered a HG too. Too easy all this trying methods and now it so clear. Bet all the money you have on numbers that have come with a progression and that's it.

Only need to do a 1 hit profit progression and that's it. HG for all!

http://www.neworiginalthinking.com/DesMaking/law-of-the-third.html
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #623 on: May 23, 2017, 12:17:08 PM »
This is practically impossible. Trust me, I've tried almost all possible progressions regarding repeaters.

A. If possible, you would need a very very huge bankroll
B. If possible there must be no table limits.

The closest thing you would get to is when in the last 18 spins 18 unique numbers came up.
You then know that in the next remaining 19 spins there will be at least 1 repeater that will make you win.
In 37 spins there will never be 37 unique numbers. The most I've ever seen in more then 20 years playing roulette was 30 unique numbers in 37 spins, and that is a very, very rare event. The most unique numbers that will drop are at most between 24 and 27.
But even if you get 18 unique numbers in 18 spins, you still would need a very large bankroll to play the 19 spins for profit. And it will be a very very long wait to begin with to get 18/18. not practical.
In my opinion, there isn't a HG in Roulette, with a very strong system you could get close to that definition, but not a true one. In the end of it all, we all loose to this game, if you like it or not.
 
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #624 on: May 23, 2017, 01:31:56 PM »


   Talos said he is a mistake to play only one event , so what is that tells us ???

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #625 on: May 23, 2017, 01:44:22 PM »
Jekhp 76,

Do you know 1 cent roulette? It's online RNG casino but the low limit is 1 cent and there is no upperlimit. So with a huge bankroll it's in theory at least possible to grind and try.

So It seems. I can win by playing systems but always the game beats me. But I think it's fun to play and think about the game.

But I believe you can make money playing if you know how to do it and how large bankroll for it.

Risk profit ratio. I'm never happy with my winnings and that's why I lose.  And no the game is not all luck.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #626 on: May 23, 2017, 02:36:08 PM »
260 spins and BR of 1400 units, hmm - 600 reached. Maybe he relies on the clusters of randomness. Oscar grind or plus as you win since if you been loosing a lot it will balance out as wins. Has happened to me many times when playing turbo progression on double streets. Turbo progression is a mild one also oscar grind.  For the progressions I have played on numbers turbo is number one and then comes oscar grind. Both rely on streaks. And work quite like he tells us. Keep the losses low it's easier to recover. Oscar is the 1 unit win and be happy method.

My first impressions. With unlimited turbo progression it's hard to lose. Same goes to oscar.

Reyth, has done lot's of research and I'd like to contact him. Super secret progression that no one knows :D
 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #627 on: May 23, 2017, 08:50:36 PM »
There are different ways to look at systems. One way could be the time factor.

Whose to say that a method has to be followed all the way in merely one sitting?

Even the "lowly" Martingale can show us one example of this.....

For example:  A 1-2-4-8 marty used at various stages to capitalize on an anticipated  end of a repeat sequence...something like betting on red after 4 consecutive blacks. If the first bet (1u) fails....one could come back and make the second bet 30 minutes later (or an an hour, or - even a day...etc.) on the next (2u) marty wager on perhaps the red after something like 5 blacks in a row have shown (a kind of "re-setting" of the trigger)....or possibly even switching to a completely different method all together for the "second" bet. Not really recommending this - just showing the issue of mental "constraints" that possibly effect ways we may think.

Perhaps this could be a form of the "eastern" way of thinking to which Talos refers.
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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #628 on: May 24, 2017, 10:21:01 AM »
Key question.

How can you have a progression that works upside down?. More dept more time for a hit to clear it. It's like the payout somehow magically increases. Any one with idea for this?

 

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Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #629 on: May 24, 2017, 12:00:55 PM »
that's the tricky part about the Talos system or i would say supposed Talos HG system. Nice in theory but quite impossible to solve the equation if you put it all together. When he's not hitting at the beginning he start a quite long recovery that can take up to 30-40 and even 80 spins for the longest one. When you have to go so deep and you want to keep your balance low there's no other solution than applying a kind of parachute system playing less number and more units on a smaller selection otherwise you will never go back. and there's always the problem of reducing bet selection and keep hitting at a moment to be sure your system is a HG and doesn't need a stop loss. It's like Mrtalos found a secret bet selection that assure him at least some hits even if he's playing only 4 numbers; very hard to believe that part whenever the way you are thinking. Maybe he juste found a secret about the wheel that nobody knows (the weakness like he said). i think working on his session dump or progression without discovering the weakness (or the revolutionary idea it's the same) is quite useless. Mathematically the progression will not work without having a kind of advantage on the wheel. You have to find this to solve the trick.

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