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#### scepticus

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##### Patterns in random numbers
« on: February 10, 2018, 08:02:33 PM »
Mike
As I have explained before there ARE patterns in Random Numbers .

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2018, 08:07:09 PM »
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there ARE patterns in Random Numbers .

That's an oxymoron.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2018, 08:18:22 PM »
Nope . Real. Nope !
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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2018, 01:33:04 AM »
Guys,

A quick FYI.  Claiming that there are patterns in randomness is yet another  reason other gambling forums make fun of roulette system players.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2018, 01:45:25 AM »
No matter how the winning numbers fall they MUST fall into one pattern of;
Dozens 9 in 2 spins
111222333
123123123
and you can add to  that by successive spins
ECs
Red / Black for .example
over 3 spins they must be one of  8 Patterns
RRRRBBBB
RRBBBBRR
RBBRBRBR
Except when zero intrudes but as this happens once in  an average 37 spins  we have 36 "Windows of Opportunity " .
The only problem is " Which Pattern to Choose  " ? Palestis has chosen ONE PATTERN  ! And is mocked by fake
Roulette Professionals  !

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2018, 02:43:19 AM »
We must see the difference between permutations and patterns.  A given stream of numbers between 0 and 36 of a certain length is one of the possible permutations.  The brain can mock up a pattern and "see" it. Some of the permutations are regarded "pattern".
If the outcome is independent and equal, there is no true pattern. If so we could predict by recognize the pattern.

It is some roulette players trying this, but nobody has shown a proof it is statistical significant.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2018, 04:12:38 AM »
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Prove that the Patterns I have outlined are NOT true Patterns  !

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2018, 04:31:01 AM »
scepticus,
You have just outlined possible permutations.
What do you mean by "pattern"? You must define the concept of "pattern".
Why does one permutation is a "pattern" and another is not?

Can you explain your ideas clearly so I can follow? Because I can't follow you.
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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2018, 05:34:13 AM »
I can see how the LotT can be a kind of a pattern, in a general way.  Its the definition of "pattern" that matters.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2018, 07:48:57 AM »
@Scep

They are not. It is apophenia, and you may call it pattern, only if the numbers are not random, as random do not produce pattern.  To call a permutation a pattern and an other belonging to the set not a pattern is a spoke of the mind.

"Apophenia has come to imply a universal human tendency to seek patterns in random information, such as gambling.

Using such method to try to win in a game is called divination!
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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2018, 09:05:31 AM »
If it look like a mango.....

One of the first things children learn is shapes and patterns. Everything around us has been created from a pattern. Sometimes you have to look inside to find the pattern; like the layout of a book or perhaps DNA. now that's a nice pattern you don't see every day. Patterns are most definitely formed out of random placement.

There are three patterns to look out for before you start betting on Palestine single dozen method:
XXY
XYX
YXX
I don't call these patterns; I call them triggers.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 11:52:29 AM »
We must see the difference between permutations and patterns.

Yup. There are certainly patterns in roulette, otherwise we wouldn't be able to "fit" distributions to roulette outcomes. Distributions like the binomial model roulette outcomes very well, but they model COMBINATIONS, not PERMUTATIONS.

A permutation takes the ORDER of outcomes into account, combinations don't. Which is harder to predict in a race, the runners which come in the first 3, or the order that the first 3 will come in?

@ scepticus,

Maybe your 9 nine blocks system really does contain a brilliant insight, but if so, it seems to be cunningly concealed by gibberish. And also, I'm not sure why you keep plugging it, because when anyone asks for clarification, you accuse them of being naive. Do you want us to understand it or don't you?

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 12:53:16 PM »
The system using block, which count for all possible ways, I would call that permutations, and that was the reason.

The statistical outcome form a curve, but I would not see it as a pattern, a pattern which can tell the player what will happen in the near future.

In many definitions of randomness, they take lack of pattern before even predictable, as for instance the figures in Pi, is predictable and random.  Some random generators is predictable, they are random if the user lack some information. A true random stream is not predictable as no information exist.

In the game of roulette the randomness is not predictable unless some vital information of the generating device is known. It could be the algorithm and seed for a random generator, or some very biased wheel. This is more of an academic question, as in the real world such information is virtual impossible to obtain.

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 04:22:20 PM »
.Collins Dictioary defines a Pattern as
"A pattern is the repeated or regular way in which something happens or is done."

AS " permutations " continue to repeat why can't they be considered as " Patterns ".?
Are we dealing in Semantics here?

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##### Re: Patterns in random numbers
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 04:36:06 PM »
Mike
O.K. I'll give it one more try .From the beginning  - with the AP stupidity of betting from the start.
As it really belongs in my strategies thread let's start there.
Firstly , I intend to prove that  there IS a Treble ( Set of Three ) in one of line of ANY chosen Block.
So to start give me a number from the roulette wheel and your chosen block.
After that is proven we can then discuss how we can use it  in actual betting .
AS for " gibberish " weren't you talking gibberish when you insisted that there could be no more than 81 sets of three in 4 spins ?