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#### Real

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2018, 05:15:16 PM »
"Systems"  semantics.

When I refer to it I'm referring to a way to beat the wheel, not the random game.

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2018, 05:48:42 PM »
So your answer would be no. You have never designed a system ouside of AP boundaries. No problem, just a matter of interest to gauge your perception of systems.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2018, 07:29:04 PM »
Micky,

Why would I want to design a system that I know would lose???

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2018, 09:08:11 PM »
Well, I think your understanding of systems is somewhat distorted. I say this because there are many systems designed around the wheel. Take hot numbers as an example. The wheel combined with croupier action produce hot numbers. A bias in the wheel produces hot numbers. The way a normal system player identifies the hot numbers may differ from AP but both player types will end up betting on the same hot numbers that appear.

The way I see it, you think that system players do not take into consideration what is happening on the wheel. If a split is bet then you presume it is because of the felt layout and the wheel has not been considered.

If system players continously lost, why would they bother with roulette when they could play slots instead. It's cheaper at any rate.

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2018, 09:10:23 PM »
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The way a normal system player identifies the hot numbers may differ from AP but both player types will end up betting on the same hot numbers that appear.

Actually you'd be surprised to find that they're usually not playing the same numbers.
I can demo it on my simulators for you, but I can't do that on this message board.  After viewing the results you'd understand why.

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If system players continously lost, why would they bother with roulette when they could play slots instead. It's cheaper at any rate.

Often times it's because they have an addiction to the gambling/the game.  They think about the games/spins they've lost and they mentally play the "would of could of game."
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2018, 09:14:41 PM »
We are talking about hot numbers not predicted numbers. Depends on your definition of hot number.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2018, 09:15:40 PM »
We are talking about hot numbers verses biased numbers. (I'm not talking about predicted numbers like in VB)

I have one of the largest archives of biased wheel data in the world if you want to take a ride in the simulator and compare the hot numbers verses the biased numbers.  You can qualify the hot numbers in any way that you'd like to qualify them over any horizon of spins.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2018, 09:19:04 PM »
Please explain what you mean by hot number and biased number

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2018, 09:20:33 PM »
A biased number hits more frequently than probability would dictate because of a defect/wear in the wheel.
A hot number is just a number that has hit a lot over a series of spins.  The series of spins can be of any length.

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2018, 09:23:59 PM »
Don't biased numbers come up just as much if not more than hot numbers? After all they are the favoured numbers in a segment of the wheel.

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2018, 09:27:18 PM »
It depends on the betting horizon, meaning over how many spins is a number considered hot?  What is your qualification for a hot number?

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2018, 09:37:14 PM »
A question with many answers. Let's use Palestis example from his recent hot number method: a number hits twice in 18 spins is considered hot.

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2018, 09:40:03 PM »
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a number hits twice in 18 spins is considered hot.

Over such a short horizon the player may not be on any of the biased numbers.  If the player is, then it may not be for very long.

You know Turbo had a great deal of trouble grasping that the player may not be on the biased numbers as well.
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2018, 09:51:02 PM »
It's because a biased number will appear more than average in that segment of the wheel. It is there repeating itself even before you discover it. If the repeat is at a regular frequency then it must be hot. Why would a biased number not be a hot number?

If it looks like a mango, smells like a mango and tastes like a mango then it must be a mango.

The casinos display hot and cold numbers and they are identified over a larger range of numbers. Will their display of hot numbers not identify bias in the wheel?

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2018, 09:59:09 PM »

A biased number is not necessarily part of a biased section/sector.  Individual numbers can be biased.
Biased numbers do not repeat at a consistent interval, rather they hit more frequently than probability would dictate.  They're never "due" to hit.  Even a very strong biased number may not hit for a hundred or two hundred spins.

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The casinos display hot and cold numbers and they are identified over a larger range of numbers. Will their display of hot numbers not identify bias in the wheel?

Nope.  Not usually.  Their horizons are too small.

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