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#### MickyP

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2018, 12:19:53 PM »
Mike, I use triggers and stop loss limits in a method I play. If I didn't I would experience heavy losses leading to the win.

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2018, 12:27:35 PM »
You don't understand the true meaning of virtual losses.
Maybe an example will shed some light.
You hold a golf ball and you try to roll it into a hole just slightly bigger that the ball about 30 meters away.
After thousands of tries you determined that you only succeed 4 times out of 20 tries to get it into the hole. ( those tries are as independent as roulette spins are).
Now let's say that the deal is to win \$100 if you get the ball into the hole or lose \$100 if you fail. (by the way you can increase the bet at any time). But also lets say that you are allowed to do dry runs before you announce that you are ready to start betting. (equivalent to waiting for roulette spins without betting).
When would you feel more comfortable starting the betting process?
Starting from the beginning and hoping that those 4 successes come at the beginning or after you had 12 failures in dry runs?
I would chose after, because I know that I have 4 hits waiting for me if the next 8 tries. And the odds of success are higher, plus I have enough money to double the bet after a lost try, for the next 4 tries.
That's what testing is for.
Determination of success rate.
Starting the bets from the beginning will force me to abandon if I don't succeed in the first few tries, for fear of losing too much.
The presence of the 12 failed dry runs, does not invalidate the actual statistical results obtained after long time tests. .
Therefore those virtual losses ( as long as I am allowed to observe them, and I can in roulette), allow me to be a few steps closer to winning than without them.
And the idea of the static probability has no power compared to specific statistics that came after long term analysis.
And for your information the idea of virtual losses was the icing on the cake on the various systems that I tried.
Without it every system will either fail or cannot be carried to the end because it will require too much money to find out if it will succeed.
As far as triggers they are very much related to virtual losses. In my example the 12 losses without betting is in fact a trigger.

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#### MickyP

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2018, 12:32:08 PM »
Mike, I just wanted to add that I use everything at my disposal to reach my win goal. My games are short and purpose driven; they are managed and always evaluated afterwards.

I really do not pay much attention to the theory of mathematics but I do enjoy counting my winnings and seeing my business grow. I'm one lucky fellow to have variance on my side.

#### Real

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2018, 05:48:20 PM »
I know you guys want to win

The math is a tool to measure the fitness of the gaming equipment and the effectiveness of your strategy. I would hope that you guys at least pay some attention to the math, but your level of discipline and win goals, entry and exit strategies, the sharpness of your pencils...they don't even make a dent in the house edge.

Even when looking at the raw data, many gambler's can't comprehend why triggers are worthless.  There's another thread where it's especially apparent.
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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2018, 07:00:44 PM »
Real, the discussions on triggers, progressions, house edge, variance, etc have been covered extensively throughout the forum. As an adult but more so as an independent roulette player, playing with my own money, I am aware of these elements you say do not work. My games are structured to account for the house edge and variance that allows me room to take counter measures to still reach my win goal. I do not only give myself one opportunity to reach the goal and that's the difference.triggers and progressions are "small" tools I use to steer my game to the win. They work for me and I'm sure they work for many other players.

Please be considerate and post your opinions on house edge, triggers and so in the appropriate threads that deal specifically with these topics. Thanks.

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#### Real

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2018, 07:03:35 PM »
Micky,

Math, and basic probability don't care about how you feel or emotion.
Neither do I.  I'm not going to sugar coat it and say, "Well maybe it works just a little bit."
Sorry, just the facts.
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#### MickyP

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2018, 07:20:00 PM »
Not getting emotional. I just asked you in a nice way to post in the appropriate threads. Your opinions amuse me from time to time but how many times do you expect me to be amused with the same sh*t.
It gets boring Real.

Really.

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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2018, 07:24:17 PM »

#### MickyP

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2018, 07:37:04 PM »
Hahaha...What a clown.

You really don't have to say but how much do you get paid to disrupt forum discussions?

I've noticed that you only disrupt or try to derail discussions that get others thinking about and discussing the concept of winning. "Let's throw in the house edge" he says.

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##### Re: The Strategic Player (SP).
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 12:30:04 AM »
Maybe REAL is a Social Engineer?
He does exhibit those tendencies, and, rather than common sense, which everyone playing this game should employ, he displays uncommon sense, by puncturing balloons that have been inflated by naive GF advocates.
I would like to know, does he PLAY HARD, or HARDLY PLAY?
One thing I do know, is that he treats the flotsam and jetsam of online games as just that.

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