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MickyP

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Start of play. What table?
« on: February 13, 2018, 08:38:10 AM »
When you walk into a casino how do you determine what table to start playing on?
I know this will depend on the type of player you are and what type of method you plan on playing.
I'd like to explore the impact on a method played at the wrong time or on the wrong table.
What impact do you think table selection has?
How do you select your table? Empty seat? Do you prefer to stand when you play?

Strictly speaking, table selection should not have an impact if your method is tried and tested yet players will study the tables before they select one to play on. What are they looking for?
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 08:53:19 AM »
non smoking,  lowest minimum
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01:30 AM »
Not so now, but when I played for income I always used the end tables. At my casino the tables are in rows so that at the end of the rows there are two tables side by side.

I would sit close by and track both. Whichever table signalled a bet first I would commence betting on that table, all the while tracking both.

If the second table signalled a bet while I was still betting on the first table, I would commence virtual betting on the second table until I was finished betting on the first. Then I would move over to the second table and start betting from spin 1 of my system.

Sometimes, even sometimes often, the second table virtual bet would complete before the first table did, in which case I would simply not win that bet on the second table, and the tracking for both tables always moved forward regardless.

These days I go to empty tables when I want to bet fast and simple, and crowded tables when I want to bet slow and complex, and I'll move around as all those conditions change. This is because I have the luxury of not needing a continuous stream of numbers to play.
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 09:41:57 AM »
Nowadays the history monitor can be viewed dual sided. The tables are arranged 2 on each side. You can see the spin results from one side for say 4 tables at one go - move over to the other side in between the split gap. It's a challenge to scan all 4 tables for signals that can come too quickly. If you do that for 3hrs daily,  you will feel the physical tiredness.
 
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 10:12:36 AM »
and what's wrong with a bit of tiredness?
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2018, 10:20:59 AM »
non smoking,  lowest minimum

Health conscious player using an untested system...lol.
I love some of these one liners. So funny!
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 01:07:30 PM »
It seems that spin history determines what table is selected to play on. How many spins qualifies a table or do you just wing it depending on what the table history board tells you?
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 01:18:24 PM »
They do, walk around and check the marque, find a trigger and start betting.  I can see if a long streak of colors appear at a billboard, some rush to play.
 
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2018, 01:21:30 PM »
I've read about "the run from hell" that can fail the strongest system.

Why would Eddy have over two hundred winning sessions during his testing but fail at his first attempt with real cash? Did he perhaps not qualify his table and ended up facing the run from hell from spin one?

It may seem like a stupid question but I think players overlook the importance of the correct entry point to a game. Qualifying a table does have an impact on your game.
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 01:43:51 PM »
If you are using the history board be careful, the dealers might not update the board properly missing some spins.
 
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 02:41:23 PM »
Hi Micky,

I always look at the history board and i like to play after some virtual losses.

 
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 05:16:28 PM »
If the win goal is very small, it can inflate the win percentage.  Combine that with a long progression and it can create a "statistical illusion".  EC Martingalers often fall into this.  200 coups in a row is a great statistic that is greater than probability but of course it still hides the full losing session AND successive such sessions that will crush the unprepared.  The true test of a system is not win percentage but recovery.

The way we know we know have something that works is multiple multiplications of the actual amount risked.
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 07:03:27 PM »
Even the best methods take a knock if faced with the run from hell. Eddy believed his system was infallible and when the losing started he kept on because the wins would come.
A hard lesson to learn. Stop loss would have helped....
 

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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2018, 07:08:41 PM »
I can't see the post where he showed his failure and how much detail is there but I agree that a strong recovery method is mandatory for every system.  Could his system have been saved by working that angle?  Sounds like it and the bankroll also would have to be increased.
 
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Re: Start of play. What table?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 08:03:06 PM »
If Eddy were given a fair chance to explain his misfortune, I'm sure the reasons would translate into a sobering lesson for all. But I doubt if he will have the courage to face the humiliation again. All we can do is what we do best as roulette players and enthusiasts...Guess!

How many players have experienced a run from hell? How did you handle the situation?
Are systems designed to overcome a run from hell?
This could be a serious flaw in system design. Mike has strong opinions about the design and testing of systems and we have been defensive about how we play the game. One of the reasons is that examples are used outside of our play parameters.
Members of the forum have the knowledge, experience and tools to work together and test methods properly. This seldom happens if at all. I am thankful for DrTalos thread on system design.

 
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