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#### Jesper

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##### Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« on: December 26, 2017, 01:00:40 PM »

Going for 100 Euro or more on an 1 cent table.

It is of course an other play, then just put
100 Euro on red and do one spin.

On a NOZ the chance is 50% if we try once on red.

On a 1 cent table we can bet between 1 cent and
20000 cent on a straight up, which means we can
handle 1000 and more missing spins and low hit rate for longer
period.

It does not mean we allways stake low, it is
rather we use the cents as precision fractional
bet, as opposite to there a few Euro is min bet,
we have not a way of longer smooth progressions
if we can not rise very small.

The bank on the other hand can not be too small
as we are betting many chips and use rather long
shots to win. 100 Euro is 10000 cents.

We can not go for 10000 with 100. We have
to have at least 10000 units, and it is
not allways enough.

We have all better winning chance on NOZ.
But we need 5 times the bankroll, to stand
the same play, and we can not break an hour
and must end the session in 24 hours.
Otherwise all benefit of NOZ is gone.

I use to play on one zero, this longer sessions.

The method is a kind of D'Alembert, which is
regarded not a good method. It is true and it
is easy to explain (have been done so many times).
D'Alembert is not good at EC, I have never had
success on EC's. On inside bets it has been working
fine. If we rise a bet as little as possible on
inside bet, we rise one chip. Rising and never
drop down is not a good habit, and drop down after
a win is the right thing to do.

If we play a few numbers, and we hit, we must reduce
the total bet with the number of chips on the hitted number,
and if it is more max reduce 35 units.

We must not reduce on the hitted number, rather
that we think is cold numbers.

In some cases we get a very high pile on a cold number,
we can move it, or for many players easier to split it
into two numbers. We need then a hit on both and
the cost of the progression rises with one unit.
The chance of a hit decrease.

one chip or some more, maximum 10.

We add a chip at every number each spin.
If we hit, we remove the same number of chips as
in the hitting number, at most 35.
We can remove from any bet, or bets.

We can run until the table is empty, and that
is  guaranty a win.

Normally we stop at an end of a winning streak, there
we have got new high and some winnings like 1000 units
or more.

To reach 100 Euro can take long time, but not allways
if we got a cluster of our numbers it can go fast.
But not too early, we need some stakes. Optimal
is a streak after about 25 spins.

Earlier today I tried, and reached the target after
190 spins.

This as any method can lose, and lose heavy.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2017, 01:17:49 PM by Jesper »

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#### dobbelsteen

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 04:59:33 PM »
Jesper in my blog you can find a simulation of the 4 famous classic wager bets. They all promise a loss. Systems without a strategy are very risky.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2017, 10:28:18 PM »
Dobbel!

Whats is strategy in your mind. I post the staking plan, but not HOW I chose. Whats not a secret, but not easy to explain.  The last sessions, which is 1456 I lost only one. (2% of win).

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2017, 10:47:57 PM »
I did this play a minut after the last post!

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2017, 10:59:22 PM »
Next play in the last minutes, an other way. We can say it is JUST LUCK, I agree, to luck, but not just.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 07:00:01 AM »
Isn't it save to cut the session into Small seperate sessions? Let's say 10*10 dollar sessions a day. That way you are avoiding long looking streaks. Just a thought.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 07:47:22 AM »
10 bullits is not enough, and the Casino door makes not any difference.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 07:49:40 AM »
If the probabilities are high enough, eventually we won't see anymore consecutive losses in our lifetime?

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 10:45:07 AM »
Yes we can try to make the probability of a loss lower, but it is hard  finding ways, there the cost on a loss not are painful.

I try to look at every way of doing so.

1. Play on a fair odds table.
2. Lowest possible chip value.
3. Progress using both risk and higher stakes, if progress on a loss.

Sometimes I use reduction in bets combined with  increase the risks.
On an AM-wheel there the pay out is 38 we are break even if we bet all numbers. We have to bet at most 37 numbers to win and the chance is 37/38 against a loss  35/36 on a NOZ and 35/37 on common EU-wheels.
To me it looks better using the fair odds AM wheel, if we bet many numbers. The risk to hit an uncovered is
less due to more numbers, and the pay out is still fair (38).

I use to run 4 spins, and remove one each, and if all four spins win, I get 10 units.
On a wheel with 0 or 00  and 36 pay out this play does not work well.

The lowest bet on fair odds tables is 0.05 and it is 0.01 on  zero-wheels. It sounds both very low, but on a longer play it is a large difference 5 times is five times, and the bankroll is suddenly only 20% as before changing table.
Some play I do on a zero-wheel, there 1000 units is 10 Euro.

I think it is funny we find on the same casino both wheels with one zero and American with 2 zeros. The double house advantage seems to not bower many players, they play the AM-wheel despite the same casino offer an EU-wheel as well.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2017, 12:27:58 PM »
I think it is funny we find on the same casino both wheels with one zero and American with 2 zeros. The double house advantage seems to not bower many players, they play the AM-wheel despite the same casino offer an EU-wheel as well.

System players generally suck at math. Someone once assured me that the American wheel is better because it has more numbers, which gives his system a higher chance to win, lol.

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Whats is strategy in your mind. I post the staking plan, but not HOW I chose. Whats not a secret, but not easy to explain.

In your experience, does it make any difference WHAT numbers you choose? Obviously you can always pick the right numbers AFTER you've played.

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##### Re: Why play on 1 cent table when looking for Euros??
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2017, 01:55:56 PM »
I did not say I have a "system" which predict, I just said it is difficult to explain how I chose.

It was an answer to the post discussing strategy, and I told then I just post the staking plan.
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