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Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« on: December 18, 2017, 02:42:15 PM »

A progression on a number straight up
on a casino with large spreed will have
success with a small win if we hit in
372 spins.

Most of the time that will do, but a loss
will cost 711886 units, and that is
rather simple statement to conclude
it can never win more than lose.

Many players use it and as long they not
see more than about 150 spins, it seems to work.

I do not know, but it may be a way to, do
it without risking such a wast of number
of chips.

I will spend some time playing with this
problem.

Up to now I have run a session with a
sleeping target at 140 spins, and bet size max 70.

Very doable, a standard progression needs only
29 unit bet and used is 1015. The profit
is only 29 units. My got 345 units profit.

The win must not be a few, if we risk thousends,
only if it is near 100%  (and very very near) safe.

I do not know how this will end yet, I will play
and work it out during the way, and it may not work at
all.  Could we reach 400 or more without an astronomic
bank, we may have something.

This must in a way produce small winnings on the way,
otherwise the downdrown will be too large and make
it hard to use. The odds I manage this is not high,but
worth a try, even Einstein did such a  why should not I do it!! 8)
« Last Edit: December 18, 2017, 02:46:48 PM by Jesper »


 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2017, 03:18:46 PM »
The first, it may take some time as I am not in my best condition for the moment, try to stay at home over Christmas.

This went as any normal a rather fast hit.
73 spins and won  642, at a max stake of 70.

 
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2017, 04:04:53 PM »
I have done a few, but I think it is no use of publish all, most are normal, about 100 spins give or take 50, and a few hundreds in profit.

I will wait publishing results until we got some thing which is harder, like a few  hundred  more or less losing spins, a way out or not.

Last was 94 spins and 345 plus.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2017, 09:14:44 PM »
Sometimes Einstein was a bit crazy, but not crazy enough to bet like this.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2017, 09:25:38 PM »
Einstein was wrong when he said, that you will loose always. He had no computer to test large samples. Now we have the DTOP and we can beat the roulette with a strategy in the short run. Be satisfied with small profits and hit and run. The roulette never stops. Tomorrow is another day.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2017, 02:32:07 AM »
Einstein conclude we can not win, he may have made his research on an AM-wheel.
I have recent won so many sessions it is so many spins together, the variance would
have some difficult to by accident be on my side 1403 times of 1404.

Last went down at start.

166 spins and a win of 314.
A repeater method was used. There
we play until a plus, or in the first stage
35 spins. We add a chip allways to
the hitted number.

If on minus after 35 spins, we start
moving a chip at every missing spin
to the number which we regard hot.

It can end with 35 chips on a number.

It start very bad 17 spins without a
repeating number (30,36,35,33,23,27,14,8,16,
12,25,15,11,2,24,7,1), and the session ended
with around 1000 units behind.

Tried from scratch and next attempt  was
not much better, 15 spins before a repeating
number.

The third went OK, and the loss was recovered.

Never used over 35 unit stakes.
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 06:08:09 AM »
To define winning in roulette is difficult because it is subjective. You will get a host of different answers and each will be right in its own context of the definition.

Einstein was possibly referring to the uneven payout and maybe tested each type of wager against the payout. He then might have compared randomness to probability and possibility. Finally, I think he was paid a huge sum of money to say roulette can't be beaten. Did he try the infamous AP approach? I'd like to know the answer to that.

An interesting topic Jasper. I read up on a guy that selects up to four random numbers and plays for 35 spins; starting with one unit on each, he proceeds by adding one unit to each on every spin. For one number the total of all 35 bets will be 703 units (under correction). What are the odds of the number coming up in 35 spins? Using the LoTT you have about a 66% chance that your number will come up.
His approach is to play each number as an individual game but to keep the outlay of units to a controllable value,  he limits his game to four numbers maximum.
I think it could generate wins if you focus on hot numbers but in the end it's risk vs reward.

 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 06:16:02 AM »
I can link to at least one website that states Einstein never made that quote at all.

One guy I spoke with recently suggested that at some point we move from a S/U to a Split and then to a Street to extend our progression?
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 07:56:02 AM »
Reyth

I think I saw somewhere they said he never said like he use to be quoted. He find it mathematical not possible to use a staking plan to overcome the unfair payout. But  we can also do a simulation with fair payout, and run it, we will see the bank will in the long run win, not break even.  To break the bank for sure we must be allowed to bet as much we want
and we must allways have money for the next bet, and the bank have limited money.  All this is practical never on place when we play.

Changing bet during a progression I do a lot, and not allways due to tablemax. I can bet on 5 DS, and if I fall down, move the bets to quads or streets, in this way try to get a hit and win, without spending more chips.

 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 08:04:33 AM »
MickyP

Bet one number for 35 spins gives you about 2/3 chance to hit. Betting 25 times is 50% a hit.
As a part in my methods I use it frequently.  A number can sleep long, but that can not 35 numbers.
That's the reason I bet many numbers. Start with 35 numbers, remove one on a hit. Restart on new high.
We can also instead of removing, just move to a number. We will win one each spin when the number is hitted, and as we win even many times before especially in the beginning, we can run far over 100 spins before we hit.

If we bet 35, remove the bets on loss, we progress by reducing the bets, and increasing the payout, decreacing the chance for a hit.

The picture is from a play I just did. Number 1 and 4 was not covered from start, and it was played at an EU-wheel. Even if some losses (of many) it turned to plus.
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 09:13:44 AM »
So basically, its like betting AGAINST a split to hit. O_o

Hmmm, so if I am down (16-35=) 19 units and I want to make it up by only betting a total of 35 units and I want to use:

Splits = ??? (how many [1-60] & at how many units)
Streets = ??? (how many [1-14] & at how many units)
Quads = ??? (how many [1-23] & at how many units)

So its kind of like doing a reverse parachute where we are trying to bet the most numbers we can to gain the profit at all times.

And what if we were to always work with the hottest numbers for every bet?



Now, let's switch it and bet one number and try to bet the least numbers we can to gain profit at all times.

(S/U) [1 unit] 35 spins = -35
(SPLIT) [3 units]

It always seems better to stay on the SU number and just raise it S/U?   
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2017, 09:51:45 AM »
I don't want to derail this interesting subject but I just have one question;

For those of you that have studied Einstein's notes on roulette, did he at all mention visual ballistics?
 
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2017, 10:00:16 AM »
I do it both ways. On a wheel with house advantages, it is better  start with a small number of bets. If we add as they come we pick up hits on repeaters. If we bet (near) all and remove hitted we bet for less repeaters.

As I told in a post earlier here, I can start with the first, bet up to 35 spins betting as they come, and win good on repeaters. When not on plus after 35 spins we can go the other way, and target a number while moving and keeping the bet constant.

My last play went down, I was backing four numbers and add a chip every spin. When no hits in 40 spins, I split it to eight numbers, with 20 u. No hits in the next 20 spins. When I distribute it on the hottest DS, add 9 chips a spin until recover (90 every ten spins). Max down  5000 u. Ended with a plus of  1948 after  227 spins. I put down the bet somewhat on some hits.
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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2017, 10:02:23 AM »
To define winning in roulette is difficult because it is subjective. You will get a host of different answers and each will be right in its own context of the definition.

Why is it subjective? Can you give an example of a "correct" definition which is right "in its own context"?

I would say the definition is simple : a method of play or system which makes a profit in the long term.

The long term varies depending on the bet. Naturally, a criteria should be that the method doesn't rely on any factor not permitted by the casino, such as an infinite bankroll or house limit (even a plain martingale is a winner under those conditions).
 

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Re: Try what Einstein did on the roulette!!
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2017, 10:05:36 AM »
No house limits exists all over the internet (1centroulette, sharkroulette as examples).

An example of winning but not winning COULD be that we CANNOT win over the house edge, that we MUST lose more units than we win.  We can't win against the house edge, which is true -- it always wins more but that doesn't mean we can't at the same time be profitable.

Its IMPOSSIBLE to prove that a player MUST lose even just throwing chips on the table randomly much less using a system.
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