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Reyth

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2017, 10:45:42 PM »

This is the distribution for the chances of 14 numbers hitting in a row.  Each number is a spin, where the first spin represents 1 hit and the last number that is 99.99etc is 33 successive hits.

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If I had more time, I would be developing and testing a system to bet in this way!!
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2017, 12:03:05 AM »
Aye but it isn't really about that happening - I think the statistical likelihood of the 14 losing numbers to all hit in a row is so small its not worth bothering about. But also if that happened when on level 1, you'd only lose £98 if betting 7 £1 units at level 1 (and I usually start at 50p so would only be £49). What is worse in this game is getting a win, increasing a level then losing 1 or 2 spins in a row, then a win so increasing, then 1 or 2 more losses (or even more) and so on. That's what puts you in a hole, but my point was over the long haul are those 14 numbers going to keep hitting with such frequency? You'd be really unlucky if they did. Statistically it is a high probability that at some point you'll hit on 5 or 6 winning numbers in a row, and fairly likely that could include a pillar number if they didn't hit already. With progression betting that is what restores you very fast or into new profit.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2017, 08:47:52 AM »
@sam41:DTOP is the number of spins every number bet system turn over in a permanent loss. Small number bets have a large DTOP contrary large number bets. A play session of a player is always in the short run. This means that the result osculates between positive or negative. Only triggers and hit and run is the way to succes.
The participants on this forum write a lot about systems, bankroll, wagering methods, probability theory, long run tests, but very less about strategies. It is much easier to write about systems than about strategies

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #78 on: December 19, 2017, 11:22:37 AM »
Hi everyone,

Total newby on the forum here, though I have been reading a lot of posts so far and experimenting a few of your great systems and strategies.

Lately I have been testing the 4 pillars strategy, using Koko and Reyths' improvements, and I was a lot less lucky than you guys, losing quite a lot of money. Each time I tried this, with a bankroll 100 times the unit price (500€ for 0.50€ units), I slowly lost my money, hitting sometimes on losing numbers, and not enough on the core numbers to regain the bankroll.

So I would like to first ask if any of you guys is still using this strategy and succeeding with it, and then check with you if I am doing this right:
- I place 7 units; 1 covering 0-1-2-3; 1 covering 7-8-9; 2 covering 14-15-17-18; 1 covering 19-20-22-23; 1 covering 25-26-28-29; 1 covering 32-33-35-36
- For a progression, I use what I understood about Koko's suggestion: 1 start with 1 unit on all the selected numbers except for 14-15-17-18, on which I place 2 units. If I hit any winning number, I put 1 more unit on all numbers, except for the core numbers (14-15-17-18), which have twice more units than the rest. If at any time, any of the core numbers hit, I restart from 1 unit.

Is there anything you think I am doing wrong?

Thank you very much everyone for all of your work on this strategy, it looks very promising! And looking forward to hearing about your experiences with Kav's awesome 4 pillars strategy!

(PS: Frenchy here, please excuse my English fellows he he)
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #79 on: December 19, 2017, 11:50:21 AM »
Welcome to the forum torvic!
Actually the feedback from people who lose is extremely helpful.
What do you think is the weak point. What happens usually in a losing session? Do the 4 pillar numbers hit regularly or is it just a case of the 4 main numbers going to sleep?

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #80 on: December 19, 2017, 01:00:33 PM »

I don't know precisely what could be the weak point, but I can tell you what a losing session looks like. Those happen when losing numbers hit regularly enough (like a WLWLWL pattern, typically), so that even with a core number hit you don't get all of your money back, which tends to make the bankroll decrease by steps. I think it might be related to the progression.

Games don't always go so bad though. I have had a few awesome sessions, with "win-win-win-win-core hit" type of patterns, which can give a huge profit. But that really is the best possible scenario I guess.

I don't know if I answered your question, but if I didn't please don't hesitate to tell me.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #81 on: December 19, 2017, 01:08:46 PM »
So at a certain point we aren't betting enough to eclipse the debt created by frequent & successive losses.  This means a unit-size raise is in order.  Like progress by +2 instead of +1?  The idea would be to choose when that moment has arrived...

If you can isolate and identify a game where this happens and then replay that game with the unit-size raise, there should be some improvement evident?

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #82 on: December 19, 2017, 01:20:10 PM »
Torvic you must start to learn the basic theory about systems and strategies. Before starting to play with real money you must first gain a lot of experience in the fun mode. Much better is doing research with simulation programs. On this forum I have published a lot of reports of Excel programs There is an excel analyze also of the Pilar system.
Did You play in a B&M casino or on internet. Do not trust internet roulette.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #83 on: December 19, 2017, 02:36:18 PM »
I think the problematic scenario with this progression is:
You have a couple hits you increase and then you miss a handful of spins, so your misses are at increased level and you need more wins at increased level. basically you need a good series of continuous hits or a couple hits on the pillars to recoup a difficult session.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #84 on: December 19, 2017, 03:27:00 PM »

Reyth, I think this might be a step towards a remedy. But I am afraid simply increasing the unit value could also increase the potential losses, and that therefore it wouldn't help us much in the mid / long term. I could very possibly be wrong, as once again, I am baby at this.

You are absolutely right dobbelsteen, I will definitely be studying before I play with real money from now on. Also, thanks a lot for the link, I sure will be checking this out!

Kav I agree, I think this is exactly the issue here.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #85 on: December 19, 2017, 04:43:08 PM »
Oh, I forgot dobbelsteen, I was playing on a "Live Auto Roulette" by Evolution Gaming, do you think these could be rigged or something?

Also, tell me if this is stupid, but what if we just added 1 or 2 units on the core numbers (14-15-17-18), without increasing the units placed on all other numbers and pillars each time we hit (anything but the core numbers)? Wouldn't this be a way to make the core numbers give a much, much higher payout when hit?
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #86 on: December 19, 2017, 04:47:50 PM »
"Live Auto Roulette"? Is this with live dealer's? I guess not.
I would prefer a live dealer game, but I understand that these may have higher min bets.
None can say for sure if these games are rigged or not. We all play in good faith. Generally speaking Evolution is a reputable company. If you also play in a reputable casino (Royal Panda for example), the chances are they are not cheating.
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #87 on: December 19, 2017, 04:53:23 PM »
No, there is no dealer for this game. I also played a bit of Immersive Roulette, and now that you mention it I believe the results might have been slightly better, but I suppose it could also be explained by luck. I will definitely dig into this to see if results are more favorable with live dealers anyway.

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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #88 on: December 19, 2017, 09:04:27 PM »
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Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2017, 08:44:20 AM »
Thanks a lot for the info dobbelsteen. Reading this sure makes me want to give up the virtual roulettes (which I will probably be doing from now on).

I had an another question regarding the number selection of the 4 pillars strategy: If I am not mistaken, Koko proposed to change the 31-32-34-35 selection to 32-33-35-36. What do you guys think about this particular move? I am asking because I get very frustrated when 31 or 34 hit frequently

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