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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Small wins per session
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 01:42:18 PM »
A bank of 100 bets is a good idea Shadow. Allows for a long losing sequence.
I am actually experimenting with one just now. Started with 25p units have now won enough to move to 50p and then £1 - and there I will stay .
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Casino Lounge / Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 01:36:41 PM »
Why do you keep assuming that I have claimed that an effect has no cause? I didn't !
If you can overcome Probability Theory why do you assume others cannot?
My " model" is maths at work and based on the Nine Block. I have said that on a number of occasions .
I  profit playing roulette so how can I doubt that  my method is ineffective? I was prepared to demonstrate that- you weren't so just what is your problem ? That I know something that you don't ?
And wasn't my take on the Sets of Three better than yours so won't you agree that I really do know something about the maths of roulette ? And accept that I might - just might - be telling the truth ? 
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Roulette Strategy Discussion / Re: Small wins per session
« Last post by ShadowBlue on Today at 01:25:31 PM »
Hi Micky,

I'll like your way of thinking. Yes small sessions are great. But i only play for 4-10 points profit a day.
I only play 2 or 3 systems at the same time. Good that you mentioned 4x4 drive without a doubt the best double dozen system. I play it with NLE but the original 2 EC's to become three. Only play the trending EC's and stop after two lossses in a row and wait for a virtual win. Most important is to be patience and have a good self-discipline
and good bank roll management. If i had a bank of 200 in will only play with a 2 unit base bet.
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Roulette Systems / Re: Law of Third Idea!
« Last post by MickyP on Today at 01:19:03 PM »
Please run some tests and report back with your findings. Thanks.
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Casino Lounge / Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Last post by Mike on Today at 01:09:09 PM »
An " effect" Mike ?
 The actual winning number /s.

If the winning number is the effect, what is the cause? The cause must be physical in order to actually create the effect. How could it be anything else?

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The EXPECTATION is negative using basic Probability Theory. You and others accept this but also claim that this can be overcome .

Yes, either by (A) Bias, or (B) Visual Ballistics.

What you call basic probability theory is just a particular model which is assumed to be appropriate. For the vast majority of players and most of the time, the model is good enough for the casino to make its profits. However, the model takes no account of physics and is thus quite simple, but by creating his own model (which is still a PROBABILITY model, by the way), the AP DOES incorporate these missing physical elements. That's how he gets his edge.

I'm not asking you to reveal your system, but only say what the missing element is in the "standard" model which you incorporate into your model, and which thereby gives you an edge. If it's not physical, what is it?

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Do you profitably use AP  ?

I used to, but not any more. Not because the methods are ineffective, but because for personal reasons I can no longer spend the time away from home looking for suitable wheels, and I don't live close to any casinos.
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Roulette Systems / Re: Law of Third Idea!
« Last post by edgefounder on Today at 12:57:35 PM »
The numbers that get hit twice or more in the first 37 cycle you start betting. When they get hit you remove them from the bet list so your number of bets decrease indeed.
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If we use the system on French roulette using 144 chips to win one, we will very soon lose.  There is one losing number, and that lose more than the winning still.

The same can be achieved at a NOZ for 35 units.

Which is best try 35 times one chip or all at one spin?  All at one if you want short run and better probability of a win.

In rare cases we can win 35 spins if we play one at the time, and if we intend that, why do not parlay as well. ;)
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Casino Lounge / Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 12:17:30 PM »
Mike
The EXPECTATION is negative using basic Probability Theory. You and others accept this but also claim that this can be overcome .
You and Jesper are rather naive in expecting me to tell you how I arrive at a POSITIVE expectation . Check any Nine Block and ask yourself WHY there can be a Guarantee of 3 correct in one of it's 9 lines. .
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Casino Lounge / Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Last post by scepticus on Today at 12:10:08 PM »
An " effect" Mike ?
 The actual winning number /s.
Where did I argue that effects did not have a cause .
Recycling ? The view that roulette cannot be beaten using maths so THE ONLY WAY is to use the wheel and find out the Cause ..
And you haven't answered  my question.   
Do you profitably use AP  ?
Incidentally, you still haven't justified your ONLY 81 Sets of 3.
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Casino Lounge / Re: Spin history as a tool.
« Last post by Mike on Today at 12:07:39 PM »
Mr. Perfect
The nine block can be used to work on any wheel - biased or not - because it is a maths model. Pure and simple.
Ask any mathematician.

But scepticus, there is already a maths model for roulette which says that the expectation is negative, and which you agree with. How can there be TWO maths models which contradict each other? they can't both be correct. Can you show the math which demonstrates an edge in favor of the player? You are correct that every model has certain assumptions, so what are the assumptions in your model, which, if true, give the player an edge?

AP does make certain assumptions regarding wheels and their environment, but these cannot be doubted by any reasonable person. No wheel is completely free from defects and vulnerabilities. The skill in AP consists of knowing which wheels and under what circumstances the vulnerabilities can be exploited.
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