# Roulette Forum

## Roulette Forum => Roulette Systems => Topic started by: kav on September 27, 2016, 05:48:44 PM

Title: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on September 27, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
It is here.
It is free.
It is detailed.
It is a labor of love.
It smashing!

Feedback, comments and suggestion are more than welcome.

Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on September 27, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
Very nice!

I can't wait to start testing it to see how it stacks up against a "particular system" I am now testing and also how it stacks up against the Kav Bet.

I like:

1) The greater payout of the main selection
2) The larger total numbers of the main selection
3) The lower cost
4) The additional & more powerful backup selection

I believe these 4 benefits will more than outwiegh the missing 4 numbers from the current system I am testing.

This appears to me to be vastly superior to the Math-U-Lette strategy found on YouTube which I have also posted on this forum which is simply and devestatingly crippled due to its inability to "pay the bills" while it gets mercilessly crushed by the worst sequences (visualize a mathematician in the ring with Mike Tyson).

I believe I have a unique approach that utilizes the entire board as a trigger, with particular focus on a specific phenomenon instead of just "spins" and I believe it will also work very well with this system.  This testing ought to be very interesting!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Dane on September 28, 2016, 06:56:26 AM
Four pills  ;D for "Roulette notes of a mad man" as you put it?
And you are not even a president candidate!
Apart from this ironic remarks I want to point out that
you seem to have made a small mistake mentioning the number of corner bets.
As far as I can see there are not 35 corners.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on September 28, 2016, 08:47:17 AM
Yep Dane, there are 24 corners. Thanks for the correction. :-)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on September 28, 2016, 09:51:45 AM
Wow which corner am I missing?

0,1,2,3,
1,2,4,5,
2,3,5,6,
4,5,7,8,
5,6,8,9,
7,8,10,11,
8,9,11,12,
10,11,13,14,
11,12,14,15,
13,14,16,17,
14,15,17,18,
16,17,19,20,
17,18,20,21,
19,20,22,23,
20,21,23,24,
22,23,25,26,
23,24,26,27,
25,26,28,29,
26,27,29,30,
28,29,31,32,
29,30,32,33,
31,32,34,35,
32,33,35,36

If you were to ask me I would say that there are only 23...
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on September 28, 2016, 01:23:02 PM
Of course you are correct Reyth :-)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Dane on September 28, 2016, 01:54:14 PM
Some weeks ago I played in HAMBURG where they mainly stick to the classical French roulette.
CORNER is called CARRÉ (you know: Kvadratisch, gut). So square heads may maintain that
0-1-2-3 is not really a Carré, but rather "first four" or ERSTEN VIER.
One of the dealers or croupiers there in Hamburg tried to be funny and called it "ERSTEN BIER"
("First Beer"). I was not amused.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: system player on November 30, 2016, 12:37:10 PM
Thanks to Kav for pillars system that gave me idea. I play two streets of a new spin dozen and two corner of the other two dozs. The corner I use are 7.8.10.11 - 14.15.17.18 -26.27.29.30 I play each doz twice then I move on to new spin doz. If I lose both bets I increase the both streets with one unit I keep on increasing with one unit till i win the streets. I do not increase the corner bets I go back 2 pr 3 steps when I win the streets bets. Wining corner bets helps to reduce the loses.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on November 30, 2016, 12:51:41 PM
Thanks system player for your feedback and for sharing your very interesting bet.
This is exactly the reason I posted my bet selection. To inspire fellow roulette players to come up with their own ideas.
Well done!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 01, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
The descrption of the 4 pilars strategy is no strategy but a system. 24 numbers are covered by a bet. Basically it is a 24 number bet. The covering fot the different numbers is not the same for each number. The causes that it is not a true 24 number bet. Every system has a DTOP .With a program the DTOP can be statistically compute.For the pilars system it is close to the DTOP of a 24 number bet.
I think all samples larger than 100 spins will end with a loss.
You can try the pilars system easy in the fun mode of a RNG online casino.

For a succesfull result it is important to discover a profitable trigger. In that case the pilars system is a strategy.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Fedda on December 17, 2016, 05:50:08 PM
Hello Kav. Thank you so much for sharing your strategy with us. I played your strategy on autoplay for 8 hours on black orchid casino with live dealer. Flat bet ofcourse.  i was down 39 units, so with a progression it would be very nice, because it seems there isn't alot of losses before a win. Is it possible to buy your strategy with description of your progression?

Cheers!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 22, 2016, 11:18:09 AM
Hello Fedda,

I just saw your message. Thank for the feedback.
Yes, it is correct that the progression (wagering plan) is an essential part of the strategy.
Right now I have not written in detail the wagering plan, so it is not available.
It is based on the same principles that I use for the Kavouras bet (http://www.roulette30.com/p/kavouras-bet.html) progression, which is available for purchase to selected members.

Just for testing purposes, you can use this rough and dirty progression:
After 3 losses double your bet.
After that play like Oscar's Grin (http://www.roulette30.com/2014/01/oscars-grind-system-pluscoup-progression.html), that is, increase* after each hit on the 12 winning numbers (4 corners)
Or alternatively, increase* only after a hit on the main corner (14,15,17,18)
Whenever in profit, stop and start again from scratch.
*Each increase is proportional to the initial bet.

Now, test this and tell me how it went. It is not the exact wagering plan that I use, but it isworth testing it this way.

Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on March 15, 2017, 02:27:43 PM

Hi,
Today I have played this system in the Sands. I have modified it a little bit. I added one street (7-8-9) place one unit.
Played corners: 14-15-17-18 with 2 units, 0-1-2-3 with 1 unit, 19-20-22-23 with 1 unit, 25-26-28-29 with 1 unit, and 31-32-34-35 with 1 unit.  Like this total 7 unit played. I eliminated the 2 lines from original version, so every hit provide profit now. Covered number: 23 (only 1 number less from original)
I also applied the following progression:1-2-3-4-5-6-7-and so on. Means if miss the pillars then increase the bet. If hit the pillars or street, then no change in the bet, play until you reach profit. The highest bet was 6 units on each. (1 unit was 5 dollar)I played totally about 100 spins, and over 2.000 dollar profit. My initial bankroll was 5.000
Before playing it I also tested on Roulette RX. It was very successful no fail over a thousand spins. I also tested Kavoruas Bet, but finally I've chosen 4 Pillars to play in real.

Thank you for sharing this system!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on March 15, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
Wow very nice.  One thing about all of Kav's systems, THEY PAY!

I decided to move your 31 Quad inward one position to 32 so that CL3 has a bit more coverage. ;)

I just used your exact staking plan to make 100 units in about 5 minutes & 50 spins!  I however went up to 8 in the progression.  It pays very well when those chips are raised! :D
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on March 15, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
Koko,

Thank you very much for your feedback!
Did you play on European roulette?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: jekhb76 on March 15, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
Played just yet with Koko's adjustments and after 36 spins +102 euro.
Thanks Kav & Koko. I only have to use Koko's progression (1-2-3-4-5-6-7 on the 4 pillars when no hit) only up to lvl 1. I think when we build in a recovery system or a stronger progression, this basic form of Kav's system is unbeatable  8)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on March 15, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
Just made 59 units in 69 spins.  I went to level 12 in the progression and the drawdown was exactly 200 units.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: jekhb76 on March 15, 2017, 09:19:13 PM
I celebrated to early  :-\ :-[   just lost 400 euro. pfffff we need a better money management on this until Kav will help us a little bit more. It's a beautiful table layout and when it goes well, paid well, but if it goes bad, then there is no stopping and you loose all. the progression is not strong enough, you have to reach to deep. is there amyone who has a better method? would like to make my 400 euro back. pffff :(
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on March 15, 2017, 10:09:41 PM
The first thing I would do is segment that 400 euro in your mind into 4 banks of 100 units.   Then maybe work on a few sessions of the Wrangler for 25 units each?

Get back 100 euros and re-assess?

If we play the Kav using the D'Alembert, you are right, we need deeper pockets.

EDIT: Of course I failed to ask you what your bankroll is because the Wrangler needs some bankroll to fight in the depper stages too.  I just played a session where I needed to cry "halt!" and segment the debt...

The Talos Core Progression is way more powerful than the Wrangler because he throws in a DZ+DZ bet for the third coup attempt and then he sweeps a couple more DZ+DZ bets for only 2 in a row to restore profit; pretty difficult to get past it.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: jekhb76 on March 15, 2017, 10:15:27 PM
yeah i know, but there must be some good money management to make on this system? only 7 units to make a decent recovery coup.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on March 18, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
Koko,

Thank you very much for your feedback!
Did you play on European roulette?

European roulette.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on March 18, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
(re-post from here (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1463.0))

Let's take a corner bet (4 numbers).
The corner bet has a 50% chance of appearing within 6 spins. We count from hit to hit. When it hits within 6 spins we record a A and if it goes beyond 6 spins without a hit we record a B.
H: Hit
M: Miss
A: Hit within 6 spins
B: Hit after 6 spins

M M H (A) M M M H (A) M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M H (B) M M M H (A) M M H (A) M M M M M M M M H (B) etc.

We then have a sequence of AABAAB... etc.

So what I do is count the spins between hits. Dividing the sequences in A or B, each of which has a 50% chance. We have created some sort of even chance and we record the results. These results are less extreme than your common Red Black High Low etc. results.

A further characteristic of this approach is that you can have even more information. For example you know that in average (long term) the H will be ~1/9 of total spins. Because we bet 4 out of 37 numbers, 37/4 = 9,25. All B sequences are not the same. A very long B sequence (MMMMMMMMMMMMMMH) can draw the average too much away from the 1/9 and (so to speak) increases slightly the probability of a correction.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on March 18, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
Hey Kav, I think this also can apply just as well to your Paroli 5 too!  If we leave off the one betting and use the AB registry and even delay the paroli into multiple sessions?

I mean with an increase in accuracy I think it can be amazing how much higher we can get it to climb?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on March 18, 2017, 07:12:33 PM
Indeed!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on April 11, 2017, 03:09:24 AM
I have updated the progression. Listen to kav' s advice I use positive progression. Only increase when hit. When reach level 20 only flat bet and pray ;)
When anytime reach profit during progression then restart from level 1.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on April 13, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
What about using other events to create a registry?

Like I was thinking about 2 numbers and tracking which number comes in first before the other.  Like, 0 and 17; if 0 comes in your registry is Z, a second 0 and its ZZ and then the 17 comes in and its ZZS.

The goal would be to take advantage of certain registries where we are more likely to hit one number or the other.'

I also had a side thought where if we wanted to simulate something like the Dozens, we could make a registry of 3 numbers, like say 0, 17, & 1; ZSO.'

If we can use this to gain accuracy for inside numbers, it would be very powerful.

It might even become a system if we could just increase the accuracy of the number NOT to bet.

For instance, betting the splits 0-1, 0-2, 1-2.  All we would have to determine more accurately, is which number is LEAST likely to come up first and bet the split that omits that number.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on April 17, 2017, 12:14:04 AM
Ok here is another idea!

What about creating an expectation registry!?

So, if a number hits within 37 spins, its a HIT which is H.  If it hits -74 spins its a MISS which is M.  If it hits -111 spins its a MISS but is scored as MM and of course -148 is MMM etc.

Of course there is always the back to back miss probabala where can compute the chances of a miss back to back on any base percentage chance of hitting...
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ptzelepis on April 18, 2017, 12:47:44 PM

Hi,
Today I have played this system in the Sands. I have modified it a little bit. I added one street (7-8-9) place one unit.
Played corners: 14-15-17-18 with 2 units, 0-1-2-3 with 1 unit, 19-20-22-23 with 1 unit, 25-26-28-29 with 1 unit, and 31-32-34-35 with 1 unit.  Like this total 7 unit played. I eliminated the 2 lines from original version, so every hit provide profit now. Covered number: 23 (only 1 number less from original)
I also applied the following progression:1-2-3-4-5-6-7-and so on. Means if miss the pillars then increase the bet. If hit the pillars or street, then no change in the bet, play until you reach profit. The highest bet was 6 units on each. (1 unit was 5 dollar)I played totally about 100 spins, and over 2.000 dollar profit. My initial bankroll was 5.000
Before playing it I also tested on Roulette RX. It was very successful no fail over a thousand spins. I also tested Kavoruas Bet, but finally I've chosen 4 Pillars to play in real.

Thank you for sharing this system!

One question please so I can understand the progression 1-2-3-4-5-6-7.

If 1st spin is lost then I place 2 units one street (7-8-9)Played corners: 14-15-17-18 with 4 units, 0-1-2-3 with 2 unit, 19-20-22-23 with 2 unit, 25-26-28-29 with 2 unit, and 31-32-34-35 with 2 unit.  Like this total 14 unit played.

If 2nd spin is lost then I place 3 units one street (7-8-9)Played corners: 14-15-17-18 with 6 units, 0-1-2-3 with 3 unit, 19-20-22-23 with 3 unit, 25-26-28-29 with 3 unit, and 31-32-34-35 with 3 unit.  Like this total 21 unit played.
If 3rd spin is lost then I place 4 units one street (7-8-9)Played corners: 14-15-17-18 with 8 units, 0-1-2-3 with 4 unit, 19-20-22-23 with 4 unit, 25-26-28-29 with 4 unit, and 31-32-34-35 with 4 unit.  Like this total 28 unit played.......and so on ?Is that correct ?
And if at 3rd spin for example there is a hit, then back to 1st bet ?

Can someone please give a little help ?

Panagiotis from Greece.

Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on April 19, 2017, 01:56:06 AM

Hi Panagiotis,

yes, that is the correct progression from original idea. But I have changed it to positive progression.
That means you only increase when you hit. If miss keep the same betting.
For example:
Step1: initial betiing 1 unit, you miss then keep the same 1 unit until hit.
Step2: progression to 2 units, if hit then go for 3 units, if miss then keep 2 units
Step3: progression to 3 units, if hit then go for 4 units, if miss then keep 3 units
and so on...
If you hit the core corner 14-15-17-18 you will be at profit immediately, then restart from unit 1
It is very rare you goes up to step20 but sometimes happen. When it does start praying :)
The required bankroll: 500 units
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ptzelepis on April 19, 2017, 06:16:25 AM
So the pillars always have double unit from all the other bets right ?
If you reach step 15 the pillars bet will be 30 units correct ?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on April 19, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
So the pillars always have double unit from all the other bets right ?
If you reach step 15 the pillars bet will be 30 units correct ?

Only the core pillar has double unit (14-15-17-18). The other 4 pillars is single, and the 7-8-9 street also single unit.
The point of this game to hit the core pillar. If you have a look on the weel (not the table) you will see rest of the pillars were choosen to aim the core. When the ball come near to the core pillar numbers but jump over, you still will have the hit. This is a great idea from Kav. I'm testing on RX and other roulette softwares and works just great.
I also tested in Sands, and won \$2000+ in less then 100 spin
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ahlidap on April 27, 2017, 03:20:36 PM

Hi Panagiotis,

yes, that is the correct progression from original idea. But I have changed it to positive progression.
That means you only increase when you hit. If miss keep the same betting.
For example:
Step1: initial betiing 1 unit, you miss then keep the same 1 unit until hit.
Step2: progression to 2 units, if hit then go for 3 units, if miss then keep 2 units
Step3: progression to 3 units, if hit then go for 4 units, if miss then keep 3 units
and so on...
If you hit the core corner 14-15-17-18 you will be at profit immediately, then restart from unit 1
It is very rare you goes up to step20 but sometimes happen. When it does start praying :)
The required bankroll: 500 units

Hi koko,

so are you having better results with this positive progression?

How about wait for some kind of trigger before start betting? Something like 3 misses, to keep the whole thing safer?
Although we all know that most of the times when we do this our numbers always appear.. lol

Regards,
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: willtherock on April 30, 2017, 05:16:17 AM
With koko's adaptation, I've yet to see three misses in a row. I'm sure it will happen, but in all likelihood waiting for a two miss trigger may be more realistic / waiting less. You hit very often with this method, and in fact, in my first trial with it I left the game after hitting the street bet koko added because I hit my goal of 200units. Excited to see where this one goes.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 02, 2017, 03:29:12 AM

Hello,

yes, get better result, and in fact can avoid a loosing series of missing spins.
I wouldn't wait for 3 missing spins fro trigger, bacause here we have a hit chance 54%. I you want it for more safety then 1 or max 2 miss would be enough. An otherhand this progression almost flatbet, because we only increase 1 unit/step. I just repaet the point of this game to hit the main pillar 14/15/17/18. This will give you the great profit.

I don't have RX code, I'm just playing it RX with my rules. I also tried to play on Dragonara Online Casino. Works just fine too.

regards,
Koko
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 02, 2017, 07:58:13 AM
Koko your results are very encouraging.
It seems you are using an Oscar's Grin progression (http://www.roulette30.com/2014/01/oscars-grind-system-pluscoup-progression.html) - a great progression.

There is always the dilemma between up as you win and up as you lose progressions. Each one offers different benefits.

Keep up the good work, the profits and the testing!

PS: I have also made some modification in the original bet selection. The new version focuses more on number 18 and has 7 core numbers. So maybe I will post it later as a new system.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 02, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
Hi Kav,

yes, exactly the same progression, though I didn't know the name of it :)

Looking forward your modification 4 Pillar
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ptzelepis on May 07, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
I don't know if I'm just lucky but this method seems almost unbeatable. I started with 150 euro and now after 4 days I'm at 780. Playing small sessions for 20-30 euro wins with 1unit=1euro. I play 5-7 sessions per day. Very very easy wins. I have never been frightened so far. I dont know...........
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 07, 2017, 11:39:22 PM
Wow grats!  What exactly is your method?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ptzelepis on May 08, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
It's written a few posts earlier. Koko's progression. Went to 850euro. Easy again. I hope it goes on like that.
For 1000-1500 euro / month I will thank God for this gift  8)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 03:48:16 AM
Guys, I'm very happy with your success!
If your success continues any paypal donation to the site (30@roulette30.com) would be greatly appreciated.
Btw, Panayotis in which casino do you play?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ptzelepis on May 08, 2017, 06:56:59 AM
You will find that strange....cause you told me that there is something wrong with that casino......stoiximan.gr
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
Yes my friend i find it strange indeed. I had the 14-18 sleep over 30 spins there.... maybe Im just unlucky?

Btw, Koko the hit chance for 23 numbers is not 54% it is 62%
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 01:36:46 PM

This is my first spins in stoiximan,
can you play them for me...? :-)
See opinions about the NetEnt platform here: http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1439.0

(http://image.prntscr.com/image/a3e73dc55a214165bbb01eacc2b261f8.png)

I don't thing that Oscar grind is the best progression...
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
What about using other events to create a registry?

The goal would be to take advantage of certain registries where we are more likely to hit one number or the other.'

If we can use this to gain accuracy for inside numbers, it would be very powerful.

It might even become a system if we could just increase the accuracy of the number NOT to bet.

Reyth, it seems the new Tracker you created for Bullseye would be prefect for this. Yes?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 05:17:59 PM
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
Sure Kav. Reyth suggested (in reply #25 and 26) that there may be a way to know which numbers have a higher expectation to HIT based upon how long it's been since it's last hit. For example, if it's been 300 spins since a certain number hit, the expectation is huge that it will hit soon. I think Reyth's suggesting we take advantage of this by either moving one of our bets to THAT area, OR to simply increase our bets on that current number.

I suggested that his new program for Bullseye may work in this case for the 4 pillars:
http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=648.msg22946#msg22946
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 08, 2017, 06:11:26 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2mc6hza.jpg)

We would start by selecting the strongest possible quad for our 2 units.  Then we could identify 2 streets and 3 splits that we would wish to avoid and bet the rest.

I am pretty sure Kav doesn't like this because of the reverse engineering curse.

Another problem is that the Bullseye method is designed to avoid catastrophic losses and is not concerned with when hits take place, only that the hits are more likely within our progression.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 06:21:43 PM
Can someone please clarify the POSITIVE progression mentioned for Koko's adjustment? I understand how much to increase and on what bets. My confusion is WHAT constitutes a HIT? Do we increase all bets ONLY when the CORE numbers are hit? Or when ANY corner is hit? Or if ANY of our bets are hit at all?

I am assuming when ANY bet hits, then we increase all out bets at the same time. Yes?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 06:48:00 PM
Thanks for help guys.

Any successful hit on any of our bets is a HIT. Koko has changed the bet selection. I have to admit that I like a lot his selection. He bet 14-18 with 2 units and with one unit on 0-1-2-3, 7-9, 19-23,25-29,31-35. Covering 23 numbers with 7 units (instead of the initial 24 numbers with 6 chips). Koko's selection is great. The main problem is the progression imho. But we have Koko and ptzelepis making good money with Oscar's grin.

What I think is a possible better progression is a kind of stepped d'Alembert (http://www.roulette30.com/win/how-to-use-and-reverse-the-dalembert-roulette-betting-system). You play groups of 3 spins. If the group is 3 losses you increase by 1. If the group is 3 wins you decrease by 1. Otherwise you stay.
What I also like very much is a D'Alembert-Oscar combination. In the first one or two steps you increase after losses. Then if losses persist you stay and increase after winning steps (waiting for our selection to become hot).
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 06:56:45 PM
Thanks KAV. And Reyth's improvement of moving the 31 corner over to the 36 corner was ingenious also, it really helps the 3rd column hit more.

I've tried many progressions so far, and for me the best results have been using KAV's following suggestion:

Quote
Or alternatively, increase* only after a hit on the main corner (14,15,17,18)

So, I keep all 7 bets  the same. I look for the highest profit made during the spins. Once the CORE numbers hit, I compare my current high with the last high. If it's the same amount or higher, I keep all bets the same (7 units total). However, if it's BELOW the previous high, I increase all bets.

I keep all bets at this level until the next time the CORE numbers are hit, and compare again. When it's tied or better, I go back to level 1. If it's not, I increase again.

This is great for lower bankrolls. Thanks for that suggestion KAV! And thanks for posting your 4 Pillars method!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 08, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
Thank YOU for reminding me this! I have too m any thoughts in my mind I have forgotten this!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 08, 2017, 08:57:24 PM
Hey Term, I like your progression.  Its very conservative but it will fight HARD when it has to!  Drawdown was about 500 units to gain a total of 75.

Another session was less than 100 units to gain over 90 units.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
Wow, thanks for sharing your results, Reyth. It does not seem so great when you put it like that.

My results have been slightly different. I have been starting with 150 units, and I have made from 50 to 300 units profit each time WITHOUT going bust. I played about 15 games so far. I have never ended with a losing session yet.

I guess I have been running lucky? But I do have an additional stop loss AFTER I start making a profit. For example, once I make 100 units profit, I will only be risking like 50 units (not 150) from that point on. So, if I have a bad streak all of a sudden, I will leave with 50 units profit.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 08, 2017, 10:25:05 PM
So far I have won every one of my 3 games with significant profit and 2 times with no major drawdown.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: TERMINATOR on May 08, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 09, 2017, 07:32:36 AM
An interesting "retreat" idea has presented itself but I am not sure if it can be effectively implemented.  It is possible to ONLY bet the quad and not the other numbers (i.e. remove those chips) for a period of time.

This sort of strategy is typically employed when we want to "soak up losses" and to mitigate the effects of long losing streaks.  Maybe a trigger of 1 loss or 2 losses in a row to start it.

Of course the other alternative is to bet 100% virtually but of course we then risk missing a hit on our quad.

So maybe this idea can't work but I thought it was interesting to document anyway.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 09, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
But I do have an additional stop loss AFTER I start making a profit. For example, once I make 100 units profit, I will only be risking like 50 units (not 150) from that point on. So, if I have a bad streak all of a sudden, I will leave with 50 units profit.

Bravo!
This old bankroll management stuff is very important and should be a whole new topic.
It is a long time I want to implement a rule like this.
The problem is how to divide playing sessions. Each time to visit the online casino? Each visit to the casino?
And most importantly, what if you just won 20 units? You put the rule into action immediately? So now you only risk 10 units?

Let's discuss Bankroll management here (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1627.0)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 10, 2017, 08:06:25 AM
I'd like to share this screenshot from Roulette RX testing 4 pillars system.
There was a major fall back, but it recovered using Oscar's Grin progression method.

Any comment or question welcome!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 10, 2017, 10:38:33 AM
Wow very nice!  That downswing is almost your entire table bank, apparently a larger bank is required?

Have you tried Term's flat bet method until your corner hits and then raise +1 if behind and repeat until profit?  Can you replay that last game using that progression?

Grats on recovering so well! :D
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on May 10, 2017, 11:14:15 AM
Yes, I have observed such unfavorable results too.
I don't think that Oscar's grin or a larger bankroll is the best answer.
Like I posted before:
Quote
What I think is a possible better progression is a kind of stepped d'Alembert (http://www.roulette30.com/win/how-to-use-and-reverse-the-dalembert-roulette-betting-system). You play groups of 3 spins. If the group is 3 losses you increase by 1. If the group is 3 wins you decrease by 1. Otherwise you stay.
What I also like very much is a D'Alembert-Oscar combination. In the first one or two steps you increase after losses. Then if losses persist you stay and increase after winning steps (waiting for our selection to become hot).
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: ice789 on May 10, 2017, 01:04:21 PM
i want rx code
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 10, 2017, 01:39:53 PM
Kav, Reyth,

I will try with your progression, but quite busy now.
If you think I can copy here the 50-60 spins, when it started to going down.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 10, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
i want rx code

Sorry man I don't have it and I can't make it.
I just play with my rules. I know it's take much longer to get reliable result, but no choice.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on May 10, 2017, 01:49:52 PM
Not only can you post it, you MUST post it!

(https://img.memesuper.com/af768773cc817702fa428d9c775821c0_you-better-or-else-you-or-else-meme_625-416.jpeg)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Koko on May 14, 2017, 02:31:50 AM
I saved in PDF file.
The major fallback start at spin 196
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 07, 2017, 03:22:40 AM
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and registered so I could ask if anyone is still using this strategy,  or has it proven to be a loser? I've won every time I've used it, about 20 sessions now so I really think it could be something,  but aside from this thread there is little else out there about it.

One drawback is you risk a huge bankroll. I've found that playing with 50p units to win £50 requires a £500 br to assure victory in a tough session. I've never got close to losing it all except once on a free game where I had a £1000 br and was betting £1 units aiming to win £100. I reached level 20 and was down to about £130 before a series of wins, and eventually continuing to bet at level 20 I made my profit as 3 of the pillar numbers hit in fairly quick succession. So even on this session I won but it would have been uncomfortable to say the least had it been real money!

But other than that im winning fairly easily but with big drawdowns being common to recover a run of 2 or 3 losing spins, especially a run of say 5 out of 7 losses or as you increase a level after a win only to lose again.  The run of winning spins always comes but you need that large br to survive until it does sometimes.

So that all said I wondered how you guys are going with this? Im doing the 23 numbers, 7 unit variation but have considered moving the unit from the 7-8-9 street to the 8-12 corner. That way you cover the 11 as the tier section is mostly uncovered and you cover 12 but leave 7 open in that area so no real difference. But I enjoy hitting the street and getting the bonus payout so haven't switched this as yet. But what are your thoughts on it?

Also I like to increase on wins even if I'm at a new high profit level.  I go up to level 5 then reset if I win them all. I dont think thats the cause of my needing a large br though because even sticking at level 1, you can need to go up several levels to recover from a WLWLWL type of series anyway. Thoughts on doing this?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on December 07, 2017, 11:51:39 AM
Interesting.  Reminds me of a positive progression and makes me think of playing it with Sputnik's Regression Up & Pull:

2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10... etc

Where we stay at 2 units until a win and then drop to 1 unit and proceed through the progression steps as long as we are winning.  Otherwise we drop back down to 2 units, starting over.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 07, 2017, 01:37:58 PM
Thank you very much for the detailed feedback sam.
The 7 units up as you win version is probably the best variation of this bet. The 4 pillar numbers can go missing for a long time and an up as you lose is quite dangerous and requires a large bankroll. Still the up as you lose approach has its own merit, but maybe the up as you win is overall better suited for this bet.

I would advise against replacing the 7-9 street with the 8-12 corner.
Probably the up as you win progression needs some tweaking. This is better done by someone who has played many games and starts to better understand the behavior of the bet. So while you are playing the bet try mentally to evaluate different wagering plans that would probably work better. (Reyth gave us a nice idea) Anyway my opinion is that we should find an even better and adaptable progression, although I don't know yet what it would be.

Personally after a couple of long losing sessions with the up as you lose version, I quit this system, so I don't have extensive field experience.

Btw, Sam can you please describe or link to the wagering plan you use?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 07, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Thanks for the replies. Kav I thought you were using the groups of 3 strategy rather than up as you lose? What I've been using is the 7 unit bet, up as you win to level 5 then reset, or reset after a pillar hits. If at any stage I lose I stick at the same level until a win, then increase and keep increasing on wins until I'm back in profit. I usually then reset but if im back in profit and only at level 3 or 4 I might continue to level 5 depending how I feel. Also if I've had a long battle and large drawdown and got back to say, 10 units below my previous high point,  I may reduce but not all the way to level 1. If I was up to level 12 say, I may reduce to level 5 as when so close after a long battle its not worth continuing at a higher level.

One thing I've found is that the strategy and large bankroll keep you afloat long enough until you get a run of wins, which at high levels quickly help you recover, and if the pillars haven't been hitting they also tend to start appearing when you need them most. If they apeared earlier you probably already won the session so no problem!

The pillars hitting dont always return y to profit though, sometimes you have to carry on increasing when they hit if you were well down.

I guess the other option is decrease after losses rather than stick but you never know when a pillar may hit. Ultimately you cover 23 numbers with 4 at double bubble. I dont know the maths but would think you'd have to be really unlucky for a high proportion of the losing numbers to keep hitting over the long haul, without the 4 pillars hitting or a decent win streak of the other numbers. Nothing is guaranteed of course and as I said I think the downside to this is the large br being risked but it does seem to me if you stick in there you will nearly always win in the end...
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 07, 2017, 03:57:01 PM
Also should we consider the numbers selection?  Why do you think better to keep a street than have another corner? But more importantly,  could we cover the tier section better? This selection only covers 23, 8 and 36 and all but 4 (31, 12, 4, 21) losing numbers are in this one area. I wonder if a dealer could keep targeting the tier to wipe you out once they suss your pattern,  or even just by dealer signature keep landing there for a while which could be costly. So could we find a selection that improves this? I wondered about changing the 7-8-9 street to 10-11-12? In similar vain to having the 8-12 corner I guess...
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 07, 2017, 04:03:40 PM
The key to this selection is, like the name suggests, the covering of the numbers near to the pillars. This is the main principle of this bet/strategy as explained in detail here: http://www.roulette30.com/win/4-pillars-system-notes-madman (http://www.roulette30.com/win/4-pillars-system-notes-madman)

Already we are covering too many numbers and by increasing our bet units to 7 we are already diminishing our payouts. I'm strongly in favor of the 7-9 street bet.

If the purpose were to cover the wheel track layout (http://www.roulette30.com/2014/04/roulette-wheel.html) evenly, then, like I have said in another occasion, the most sensible and shrewd, low budget bet, is the Red/Black bet.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 08, 2017, 01:27:45 AM
Yes true and I do absolutely hate hitting 34 or 31 having done as suggested here and switching to the 32-36 corner,  though of course it evens out when 36 hits and 33 is near the 14 anyway so should really be covered.

Im surprised more people aren't using this 4 pillar strategy, as it seems to really work. Maybe its the br required that puts people off. Im quite happy to keep playing it for now, its the best strategy or system I've found because you win more spins than lose, occasionally win big and with money management can stay in the game for ages until a good winning run occurs. As long as you quit when goal is achieved I think it's very hard to lose with this. Hope im right!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 08, 2017, 06:08:49 AM
I do agree it is a very good strategy and would like to thank Koko and everyone for helping to improve it (where is Koko btw?). And you for the kind feedback. Congrats for your success and please keep us posted. Also, as you get even more familiar with it, I would like to read more about why you think this system works. How it behaves and what are the weak and strong aspects of it. This type of discussion is helpful to everyone to get a deeper understanding of roulette systems.

Unfortunately I got into it with the wrong foot, by using up as you lose and having extremely bad sequences, so I quickly got tired of it and went on to try new things. I still believe that this strategy has merit and can be a winner. As I have said before, if the perfect roulette system was available, only a tiny fraction of the players would use it. Many would read it. Fewer would test it. Even less would actually play it with discipline according to the rules. Most player would just move to the next new system.

A tip: If you are deep into the hole and you feel that the 4 pillar numbers are due, then increasing the 14-18 bet by just 1 additional unit may be a very good idea. Just a hit on the pillar numbers can make up for many of your losses.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 08, 2017, 11:06:05 AM
Koko: The pilar system can be programmed very easy in Excel. I have done it before. Without a strategy or a wagering plan the pilar system give a permanent loss after about 100 spins. With the program you can test the influence of a wagering system. All number bets larger than the 18 number bet has a small DTOP. Simulation of the system will tell you the truth. The program is free available.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 08, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
Hi dobbelsteen

Your post is interesting but I do not fully understand it - what do you mean by a small DTOP?

I tried this system once doing up as you lose and if failed quickly as you also found kav - up as you win is definitely the way forward here. I don't think I ever needed 100 spins to make my target profit, the key is to leave the table once you do because I'm sure if you sit there long enough you would get that run from hell where instead of the pillars or a nice run of wins, when down, you just get more misses. But statistically that to me seems almost impossible on a fair wheel, given you are covering 23 numbers. If the same 14 which were all losing numbers continued to hit more frequently over a sustained period you would have to question if something dodgy is going on.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on December 08, 2017, 10:45:42 PM
(http://i64.tinypic.com/lfq54.jpg)

This is the distribution for the chances of 14 numbers hitting in a row.  Each number is a spin, where the first spin represents 1 hit and the last number that is 99.99etc is 33 successive hits.

THIS THREAD IS MOST INTERESTING (http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1878.msg26728#msg26728) regarding this topic!

If I had more time, I would be developing and testing a system to bet in this way!!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 09, 2017, 12:03:05 AM
Aye but it isn't really about that happening - I think the statistical likelihood of the 14 losing numbers to all hit in a row is so small its not worth bothering about. But also if that happened when on level 1, you'd only lose £98 if betting 7 £1 units at level 1 (and I usually start at 50p so would only be £49). What is worse in this game is getting a win, increasing a level then losing 1 or 2 spins in a row, then a win so increasing, then 1 or 2 more losses (or even more) and so on. That's what puts you in a hole, but my point was over the long haul are those 14 numbers going to keep hitting with such frequency? You'd be really unlucky if they did. Statistically it is a high probability that at some point you'll hit on 5 or 6 winning numbers in a row, and fairly likely that could include a pillar number if they didn't hit already. With progression betting that is what restores you very fast or into new profit.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 09, 2017, 08:47:52 AM
@sam41:DTOP is the number of spins every number bet system turn over in a permanent loss. Small number bets have a large DTOP contrary large number bets. A play session of a player is always in the short run. This means that the result osculates between positive or negative. Only triggers and hit and run is the way to succes.
The participants on this forum write a lot about systems, bankroll, wagering methods, probability theory, long run tests, but very less about strategies. It is much easier to write about systems than about strategies
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 19, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
Hi everyone,

Total newby on the forum here, though I have been reading a lot of posts so far and experimenting a few of your great systems and strategies.

Lately I have been testing the 4 pillars strategy, using Koko and Reyths' improvements, and I was a lot less lucky than you guys, losing quite a lot of money. Each time I tried this, with a bankroll 100 times the unit price (500€ for 0.50€ units), I slowly lost my money, hitting sometimes on losing numbers, and not enough on the core numbers to regain the bankroll.

So I would like to first ask if any of you guys is still using this strategy and succeeding with it, and then check with you if I am doing this right:
- I place 7 units; 1 covering 0-1-2-3; 1 covering 7-8-9; 2 covering 14-15-17-18; 1 covering 19-20-22-23; 1 covering 25-26-28-29; 1 covering 32-33-35-36
- For a progression, I use what I understood about Koko's suggestion: 1 start with 1 unit on all the selected numbers except for 14-15-17-18, on which I place 2 units. If I hit any winning number, I put 1 more unit on all numbers, except for the core numbers (14-15-17-18), which have twice more units than the rest. If at any time, any of the core numbers hit, I restart from 1 unit.

Is there anything you think I am doing wrong?

Thank you very much everyone for all of your work on this strategy, it looks very promising! And looking forward to hearing about your experiences with Kav's awesome 4 pillars strategy!

(PS: Frenchy here, please excuse my English fellows he he)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 19, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
Welcome to the forum torvic!
Actually the feedback from people who lose is extremely helpful.
What do you think is the weak point. What happens usually in a losing session? Do the 4 pillar numbers hit regularly or is it just a case of the 4 main numbers going to sleep?

Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 19, 2017, 01:00:33 PM

I don't know precisely what could be the weak point, but I can tell you what a losing session looks like. Those happen when losing numbers hit regularly enough (like a WLWLWL pattern, typically), so that even with a core number hit you don't get all of your money back, which tends to make the bankroll decrease by steps. I think it might be related to the progression.

Games don't always go so bad though. I have had a few awesome sessions, with "win-win-win-win-core hit" type of patterns, which can give a huge profit. But that really is the best possible scenario I guess.

I don't know if I answered your question, but if I didn't please don't hesitate to tell me.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on December 19, 2017, 01:08:46 PM
So at a certain point we aren't betting enough to eclipse the debt created by frequent & successive losses.  This means a unit-size raise is in order.  Like progress by +2 instead of +1?  The idea would be to choose when that moment has arrived...

If you can isolate and identify a game where this happens and then replay that game with the unit-size raise, there should be some improvement evident?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 19, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Torvic you must start to learn the basic theory about systems and strategies. Before starting to play with real money you must first gain a lot of experience in the fun mode. Much better is doing research with simulation programs. On this forum I have published a lot of reports of Excel programs There is an excel analyze also of the Pilar system.
Did You play in a B&M casino or on internet. Do not trust internet roulette.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 19, 2017, 02:36:18 PM
I think the problematic scenario with this progression is:
You have a couple hits you increase and then you miss a handful of spins, so your misses are at increased level and you need more wins at increased level. basically you need a good series of continuous hits or a couple hits on the pillars to recoup a difficult session.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 19, 2017, 03:27:00 PM

Reyth, I think this might be a step towards a remedy. But I am afraid simply increasing the unit value could also increase the potential losses, and that therefore it wouldn't help us much in the mid / long term. I could very possibly be wrong, as once again, I am baby at this.

You are absolutely right dobbelsteen, I will definitely be studying before I play with real money from now on. Also, thanks a lot for the link, I sure will be checking this out!

Kav I agree, I think this is exactly the issue here.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 19, 2017, 04:43:08 PM
Oh, I forgot dobbelsteen, I was playing on a "Live Auto Roulette" by Evolution Gaming, do you think these could be rigged or something?

Also, tell me if this is stupid, but what if we just added 1 or 2 units on the core numbers (14-15-17-18), without increasing the units placed on all other numbers and pillars each time we hit (anything but the core numbers)? Wouldn't this be a way to make the core numbers give a much, much higher payout when hit?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on December 19, 2017, 04:47:50 PM
"Live Auto Roulette"? Is this with live dealer's? I guess not.
I would prefer a live dealer game, but I understand that these may have higher min bets.
None can say for sure if these games are rigged or not (http://www.roulette30.com/2010/04/rigged-roulette-wheel.html). We all play in good faith. Generally speaking Evolution (http://www.roulette30.com/win/evolution-live-roulette-casino) is a reputable company. If you also play in a reputable casino (Royal Panda for example), the chances are they are not cheating.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 19, 2017, 04:53:23 PM
No, there is no dealer for this game. I also played a bit of Immersive Roulette, and now that you mention it I believe the results might have been slightly better, but I suppose it could also be explained by luck. I will definitely dig into this to see if results are more favorable with live dealers anyway.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 19, 2017, 09:04:27 PM
Holland Casino has changed the roulette. I suspect the new wheels are provided with very sophisticated software. The most unbelievable events occur. This afternoon I came in collision with three times a 3 consecutive number event. Cammegh has many tracking software patents. The outcome of the roulette is influenced by the wagers of the players. The roulette software of play`ngo is very dangerous.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 20, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Thanks a lot for the info dobbelsteen. Reading this sure makes me want to give up the virtual roulettes (which I will probably be doing from now on).

I had an another question regarding the number selection of the 4 pillars strategy: If I am not mistaken, Koko proposed to change the 31-32-34-35 selection to 32-33-35-36. What do you guys think about this particular move? I am asking because I get very frustrated when 31 or 34 hit frequently  ;D
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 20, 2017, 10:27:38 AM

The pilar system is a very beautiful system. Systems have all the same features. This system is a 24 number bet. DTOP is about 120 spins. This means that after 120 spins the system has a permanent loss. The first 120 spins is a short run event. Win and loss osculates very heavy. These fluctuations can be changed in the benefit of the player by a strategy. The stats of the short run show are very important. An excel program can give you all information in a very short while.
Here a picture of my Excel program for 1500 spins.The graph shows where short run change in long run.
These studies are important to judge systems.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/e8pdw2.gif)
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: valvo on December 21, 2017, 11:03:43 AM
Hi, any chance explaining the results?
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 21, 2017, 11:13:43 AM
What do you want to explain. The sheet shows a full report of the pilar system for flat betting. The graphic of the profit show that after about 120 spins the system has a permanent loss. The loss increases to a loss of 2,7%
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 23, 2017, 12:58:38 PM
Torvic - I would prefer a live dealer but I would also suggest you try my strategy which is to increase by 1 unit for a win even if in profit, up to level 5. Then reset if you won them all. Its not uncommon to win 5 or more spins in a row with this strategy. If you lose one, then you're still at a low enough level that recovery is highly probable before you reach level 20 (most of the time you recover in a few spins). When you do get that bad run of WLWLWLLLWLL or whatever, this is why you need the big bankroll - but you're covering 23 numbers and the vast majority of the voisins and orphs areas, so no unbiased wheel is going to continue hitting the Tier for too long. In my experience the bad runs come when the ball lands in the 'winning' areas of the wheel but hit the odd few numbers not covered (12, 4, 21, 31) and this happens around the same time you got a few spins hitting the Tier section. The large bankroll lets you hang in there though, and eventually I've always received a nice run of hits that at worst restores most of your money - this lets you keep playing for longer, and eventually the pillars WILL hit. I've had really long sessions where they haven't but the odds of those 4 numbers all going to sleep together for past 72 spins is extremely remote, and when they wake up and start clustering, its pay day!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: torvic on December 24, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
- when you do not get a full 5 wins streak, you carry on with the regular +1 u progression, right?
- and what do you do when you come across a LWWWWW type of streak? Do you reset each time you have 5 wins in a row, in any case?

Merry Christmas everyone!
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on December 24, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
Sam play your strategy in the fun mode on a internet casino. Take a roulette where you can spin by your own.  Note every spin your bets and the payouts. Make a full report. You can take my Excel sheed as an example. Words, words and more words lee us very less. I predict that the result is the same as my results of simulations.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on December 24, 2017, 05:16:40 PM
Well lately im not using this strategy because im using the dozens one Palestis has given us, that works really well and risks a smaller bankroll.  However I never lost a session using my strategy on this. I came close once and of course it could happen but I think very rarely so over time you would be up.

To answer your questions Torvic,  if im not in new high profit I always continue to plus one level up to 20. I only reset at level 5 if I've reached it already in a high profit. If I've been well down and recover to a point where im in profit but not a new high profit, I will reduce the level. So day I was 35 units up but the next run took me to 150 down, and I recov to being 15 up. Maybe I'm at level 13 now. Im not going to risk going to level 14 at this point but I do still want to get back to 36+ profit. So I'd reduce to about level 5 or 6 and continue.  These decisions need to really be at the player's discretion to make than hard and fast rules.

And yes if it's  LWWWWWW and im back in profit I would reset. Why keep moving up a level indefinitely when you know a loss will come? It's akin to martingale on wins  where you keep doubling up. I just think after 5 wins you are pushing your luck so best to return to level 1. You could also stop and wait for 1 or 2 virtual losses at this point if you wish.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on January 07, 2018, 01:38:07 AM
Guys I have not been betting for money recently (the wife has told me to reign it in a bit ::) ) but I have continued to play this system in free mode and I cannot get it to lose. Today I made 150 units in about 15 minutes, probably under 50 spins (wasn't counting). Yesterday I made over 50 units by winning the first 5 spins (that's rare but if 50 was your target look how quickly you could cash out!) I carried on and after having to drawdown about 100 (plus the 50 I'd won) I ended up back in profit pretty soon and then got up 100 or so units.

I dunno, some people think this will lose but the run you would have to have would be a very long and sustained run of WLWLWLWL or similar, combined with all 4 pillar numbers going to sleep at the same time. When no system is the HG and guarantees 100% success, shouldn't we look more at ones like this that win so consistently? There seems to be very little interest in this system or equivalent ones like Kavouras.  :o
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on January 07, 2018, 02:32:14 AM
Ok so using spin data as follows:

Remember we are covering corners 0,1,2,3; 19,20,22,23;,25,26,28,29; 32,33,35,36 with 1 unit on each. We also have 1 unit on the 7-8-9 street and of course 2 units on the 14,15,17, 18 corner (the four pillars). We will bet in units of 1 (£1, \$1, etc) so I would recommend a bankroll of 1000 units to begin with.

First bet is 7 units

Number   Profit/loss
8   +5
Win, so increase to level 2, which is 14 units
2   +7
Now bet 21 units
36   +9
Now bet 28 units
24 - lose, so we are now at -19
Stay at 28 units again
10    -47 units
Stay, bet 28 units again
3 -  -39 units
Win, so increase to 35 unit bet
34     -74 units
10    -109 units
28  -99 units
Win, so increase to 42 units (level 6 now)
28    -87 units
Win, so increase to 49 units
10   -136 units
31   -185 units
3    -171 units
Win, so increase to 56 units
2     -155 units
Win, so increase to 63 units (level 9)
34  - lose, now -218 units
2     win, -200 units
Win, so increase to 70 units
24    -270 units
29    -250 units
Win, so increase to 77 units
3      -228 units
Win, increase to 84 units
22     -204 units
Win, increase to 91 units (level 13)

17    Four Pillar Hit! We have 26 units on the 4 pillars, for a return of 208 units. We are now -87
Still not in profit so keep increasing, up to 98 units for next bet:

28    -59 units
Win, so increase to 105 units
29    -29 units
Win, increase to 112 units (level 16)
8  - we win this and as this is in our street bet we win 12x16 units = 192 units. This puts us into profit of 51 units. We had a very bad run and had to drawdown a fair bit (though nowhere near the full 1000 units we would have started with) our bankroll held steady for us until the inevitable run of hits arrived, and we only needed 1 pillar and 1 street in that run to get a nice profit. Even if we'd had a loss thrown in the mix, we would have recovered significantly and could then continue.

Anyway, after a bad run like this I would probably now change wheel or take a break. But lets say we continued, starting back at our 7 unit bet:

33 - win, +53 units
Increase to 14 unit bet
14 - Pillar win! +65 units
You might reset here but you could increase to 21 units, lets say we do:
26 - win, +71 units
Increase to 28 unit bet
23 - win, +79 units
I would do one last increase here (maybe) to 35 units:
32 - win, +89 units

So we rode our luck for 5 spins, increasing each time. I would now reset to the 7 unit bet:

26 - win, +91 units
Increase to 14 unit bet:
32 - win, +95 units

New high profit, so break, change wheel, quit and cash out or be risky and continue (which we will do here)

I think you have the idea of my betting pattern now so I will simply continue to provide the units I am on after each spin:

Increase to 21 unit bet
6 - loss, +74
16 - loss, +53
19 - win, +59
13 - loss, +31
21 - loss, +3
17 - Pillar win, +33
13 - loss, -2
24 - loss, -37
0 -   win, -27
20 - win, -15
9 -   street win, (now at level 7) +20
31 - lose, -36
24 - lose, -92
15 - pillar win, -20
30 - lose, -83
33 - win, -65
24 - lose, -135
7  -  street win,  -85
7  -  street win,  -30
33 - win, -6
28 - win, +20
35 - win, +48
23 - win, +78
28 - win, +110

We are now in new high profit after 55 spins total. Since we reset to our base bet, we have reached level 16 of the betting and having drawn down our previous high profit of 95 units plus another 135 units. So you could say we 'lost' 230 units before recovering. This kind of thing is quite normal, albeit what I consider a bad session as it takes longer and does make you begin to sweat a bit. But so far it has always recovered and into new profit with just a few good wins on the trot. We have made 110 units and only seen pillar numbers 4 times. The session could have been worse of course - we had 2 nice runs of hits and several street hits. But with a large bankroll you could sustain further damage before your good run comes (and it will as you are covering over half the numbers and some whole sections of the wheel). A really good session would include the 4 pillars appearing in clusters and with greater frequency than they should. It happens sometimes and when it does, you get your win target and bail out is my advice!

Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on January 07, 2018, 04:05:45 AM
Thank you very much Sam for your assessment.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: jekhb76 on January 07, 2018, 06:25:00 AM
Good morning friends, i Have lost heavenly with this System, but after hundreds of sessions played i came to the conclusion that it was my personal vault after All. I used a much to Small bankroll. 500 units for this System is to Low and i saw the Gates of Hell with it. Now for the last 8 months i only play the single dozen System and i never lost ever since. I play it daily and Made a Nice and steady income with it Ever since. For me that awesome System by Palestis is as close as we ever got to a Holly grail and i Will continue to use it daily for my income.
But every now and then when i feel like playing something else in between, i play this also great System Made by Kav. But now instead of using a bankroll of 500 euro, i use a bankroll of 5000 euro and never lost ever since again with this System. I can use that kind of bankroll now thanks to the single dozen System winning. So thank you again guys for giving me the oppertunity to changes my live 100 %.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: dobbelsteen on January 07, 2018, 02:34:37 PM
The short and long run theory can tell you a lot about too long sessions. Read my warnings about 20 and more number bets.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: MickyP on January 07, 2018, 11:53:51 PM

Jekhb76, it's nice to read about a positive outcomes and I am truly happy for you. This is a big thumbs up to Kav, Palestis and Roulette30 in general. Keep your feet on the ground and happy spending or saving.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on January 13, 2018, 12:56:33 AM
Boy oh boy, I played in free mode doing 2 units per bet (so 14 units for level 1, 28 for level 2, etc) and as usual couldn't lose my bankroll (2000 units). The amount won was obscene. I kept playing after reaching new high profits and one time decided not to reset to level 1. Just trying to find a way to lose really so I know what to avoid doing.  But I just won more money. I made over 500 units in 20 minutes. That included a couple of runs drawing down and at 2 units a go we are talking hundreds - but the format doesn't change, in the end you get it back and profit greatly.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: kav on January 13, 2018, 01:28:01 AM
On the other hand, I have experienced all 4 pillar numbers missing for over 90 spins and the other numbers underperforming too.
Either your play mode is fake, or my casino is cheating or both results are perfectly possible due to variance.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: Reyth on January 13, 2018, 08:13:12 AM
Because of variance, I would play it completely differently.  I would discover the hottest corner and use it for the 4 pillars and discover the hottest street (apart from the corner) and use it.  I would then construct the rest of the bets based on what spaces were available.

If a corner or street became hotter I would switch everything around.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on January 13, 2018, 11:49:24 AM
Well you can never be too sure with free play if its legit or not but I have lost on it using other strategies so its not like it always makes you a winner. Plus you have big drawdowns, its not like the game knows you are increasing on wins, for all it knows you keep losing then quit in a huff. Also I've never lost playing for money and thats in online studio wheels that are apparently not trustworthy. Im sure it can lose as I have reached level 20 before and then had a nice run of wins to recover, but it could happen that the run then has losses instead. But it would be very rare.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on February 26, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Just returning to this briefly - did an interesting test run today in free play mode where several losses hit in a cluster early on, and I lost around about a third of my bankroll. I continued to increase the bet size by 1 unit (7 total units) after each win and it didn't take long to get back in profit and be up around 200 units. I did hit two of the pillar numbers and a couple of the street numbers but that isn't to be so unexpected. I was on about level 12 when I got to this point. Normally I would reset to level 1 here, but I decided to keep increasing the levels just to see what would happen, after all, a lot of losing numbers had been hitting so perhaps a nice run was due? No! I had mixed results and by the time I was on to level 22 (and I would normally stop at level 20 and flat bet) I then got 6 straight losses, the most I've ever seen. This wiped out the bankroll.

So what did we learn? That it is vital to reset once in new high profit and not be greedy. Also probably best not to go past level 20 if you reach it.

What has remained unchanged is that the way I usually play this game once again gave me a good 200 unit profit which I would normally have hung on to. This despite a very bad start to the session.
Title: Re: The 4 Pillars strategy
Post by: sam41 on February 28, 2018, 10:59:22 PM
Well, that is disappointing - just ran another test session in free play mode and wound up losing the bankroll. A LOT of losses were needed with no long win runs, but it happened. Of course it could happen on a real wheel too. I think this type of run is very rare but this is the reason I am reluctant to play this system for real - you need a huge bankroll and on the rare occasion it all goes wrong, that is a lot to lose. I hit 17 and 18 early on and was up by 11 units, but the target was 50 units. After this I never hit a pillar or even a street number, and the other wins were no more than 3 in a row. I had 7 losses in a row and 10 out of 14 spins lost.

I still think this is a great system for the player who has maybe £5000 bankroll but instead of playing with it all for £5 a unit, maybe best thing is just play £1 units and try to win £100, stop loss of £1000.  Most of the time this will happen really quickly and would be a nice 'stocking filler' for the player who usually looks to win more in his session. So just for a change of scenery from what you normally play, this might be nice for a break and then back to doing what you normally do.

The critic is saying 'but you have to win 10 sessions to handle just one defeat' and I would say I've probably won 50 sessions or so before today's losing one and often finished way above target because of landing on a pillar number when almost at target and therefore exceeding it by miles.

If I am able to build my bankroll up with Pale's single dozen system I would certainly consider playing this system for real to nick £100 here and there. Also because it is quite fun to play, apart from when you have a bad run of course but generally it is a really nice system and good to play.