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#### jerome26b

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #585 on: March 19, 2017, 11:53:55 AM »
Some new considerations i was thinking about (i miss time to be fully involved at that moment following this thread like i would like...) :

- If you consider the 2 posts of DrTalos with his winning stats you can see clearly that he can have a win at spin 3 and spin 4. So a hit at spin 3 close the game and hit at spin 4 close the game.
If you consider he's playing 24 numbers starting spin 3 until a hit it means he has to play like 8 units at spin 3 and many more at spin 4 to close the game, not sure it's the case cause we will be in this situation :
- spin 1 H/L one unit.
- spin 2 H/L 2 units.
- spin 3 (24 numbers whatever he's using) : 8 units.
- spin 4 (24 numbers whatever he's using) : 24 units.

so in this situation we would be after fourth spin (without hitting at -35), still possible but we know he's at -93 at spin 10 without hitting any numbers.

OR and it leads me to my second consideration :

- there's a possibility that all hits starting third spins are not giving the same result, if he plays different selections with some different betting scheme.
It leads me to a third consideration :

- what 24 numbers played means in the mind of MrTalos ? If he's playing at third spin LOW + a Column he can consider he's playing '24 numbers' but it's in reality 20 on the board with 6 numbers bet with two units. In that case some hits can close the game at spin 3 and 4 but not all of them...

- A last consideration i had is the fact you always do your simulation with the last spin history, MrTalos said many times he's starting his progression with a pattern following the last, he can do that for the first two spin but then choose a random number as a pivot for playing his system. He always said the selection is not important but just the total number played. So why not trying to use another pattern than always history of past spins ? Using history of past spins lead us more 'dependant' of the law of the third and is giving probably not the same results as a total random betting scheme (i don't know if it's better or not in fact...)

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Jérôme
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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #586 on: March 19, 2017, 02:21:45 PM »
It is pretty much undeniable from the Session Canon that he is playing the last 4 numbers which means its our Western Mindset that has strictly misinterpreted his meaning.

A way where his words make sense is the Canon that refers to using patterns for testing purposes.

Because we know he is betting the last 4 numbers it makes it easier to discover his bet selection from the Session Canon.

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #587 on: March 19, 2017, 03:23:28 PM »
Some new considerations i was thinking about (i miss time to be fully involved at that moment following this thread like i would like...) :

- If you consider the 2 posts of DrTalos with his winning stats you can see clearly that he can have a win at spin 3 and spin 4. So a hit at spin 3 close the game and hit at spin 4 close the game.
If you consider he's playing 24 numbers starting spin 3 until a hit it means he has to play like 8 units at spin 3 and many more at spin 4 to close the game, not sure it's the case cause we will be in this situation :
- spin 1 H/L one unit.
- spin 2 H/L 2 units.
- spin 3 (24 numbers whatever he's using) : 8 units.
- spin 4 (24 numbers whatever he's using) : 24 units.

so in this situation we would be after fourth spin (without hitting at -35), still possible but we know he's at -93 at spin 10 without hitting any numbers.

Jérôme

Hi Jerome,

Here's the first section.  You are correct for the first four bets.

no bet reference
18

Section 1  -35

-1    23 (18 numbers) Loss

-2    4  (18 numbers) Loss

-8    24  (24 numbers) Loss

-24    28  (24 numbers) Loss

-35

Section 2  -48

(Begin last four streets)
Bet Streets 28,24,4,1 (I bet street 1-3 everytime there are two numbers in the same streets in the past 4 or a Zero)
-8   0   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,22,4 (zero is not played)
-8   15   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 13,1,28,22 (closest Street To Zero)
+16    30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,13,22,1
-8   20   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 19,28,13,1
+16   30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,19,13,1
+16   15   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 13,28,19,1
-8   00   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,28,19
-8   25   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 1 (closest Street To Zero),25,13,28
-8   5   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 4,1,25,13
-8   30   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,4,25,1
-8   35   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 34,28,4,25
-8   15   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,34,28,4
-8   18   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 16,13,34,28
-8   32   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 31,16,13,34
-8   23    (12 numbers) Loss

-48

Total is 258 numbers. Matches his total of 258 and three hits.

I'm very confident this first section is correct. The play for zero is open to interpretation.

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#### rouletteman

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #588 on: March 19, 2017, 03:25:58 PM »
Hello guys,

i think we have to be carreful with this sequence, there's a repetition of 10 numbers you have to remove from the initial MrTalos output, and then the 168 numbers played it's not clear what's refering exactly. I don't really believe he was playing 168 numbers in ten spins and didn't obtain any hit.
I have the feeling that maybe MrTalos wrote the ouput with the 10 extra numbers first and did the calulation of numbers played related to what he wrote by just multiplying by number of spins; so there's a possibility the 168 numbers refers to the whole section including the initial mistake OR maybe including the next section as well.
Only MrTalos could clarify this point....

Jérôme

TERMINATOR & Jerome,  without a clarification this section just won't be workable.

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #589 on: March 19, 2017, 03:29:42 PM »
I think Jerry needs to say definitively that you have removed the duplicate sequences?

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#### jerome26b

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #590 on: March 19, 2017, 03:44:47 PM »
RM,

so yes the fact he's increasing the progression the first 4 spins then reducing is a weird way to build a progression about MRtalos was talking about.
So what's the revolutionary idea behind this ? just the fact he's trying to have majority of his hits the first 4 spins and all the rest should be managed by a recovery plan ? Otherwise it makes no sense to play 18-18-24-24 and reduce... so the idea is really to play the maximum numbers on the main progression to finish a majority of the games quickly. Otherwise better to start playing last 4 streets on the first spin no ? there should be a reason he's using this progression at the beginning and not very sure to be at -35 at 4th spin if missing is giving EV+ situation ...

still wondering

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #591 on: March 19, 2017, 03:54:52 PM »
If our sessions are divided into 2 sections (probably his levels 1 & then 2-4) we have profit swing being the first 3 bets and recovery beginning on the 4th bet.

He is using the famous "rope a dope" to soak up loss streaks for the 4th bet.

Once he gets a hit, he starts with actual recovery which we know is the last 4 numbers spun and what we have ascertained must be 4 Streets?

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#### rouletteman

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« Reply #592 on: March 19, 2017, 04:51:52 PM »
Here are the first four sections. Notice that after the forth bets.  The bets stay static at 8 & 6 units.  Controlling the losses while waiting for a run of wins.

no bet reference
18

Section 1  -35

-1    23 (18 numbers) Loss
-2    4  (18 numbers) Loss
-8    24  (24 numbers) Loss
-24    28  (24 numbers) Loss

-35

Section 2  -48

(Begin last four streets)
Bet Streets 28,24,4,1 (I bet street 1-3 everytime there are two numbers in the same streets in the past 4 or a Zero)
-8   0   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,22,4 (zero is not played)
-8   15   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 13,1,28,22 (closest Street To Zero)
+16    30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,13,22,1
-8   20   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 19,28,13,1
+16   30   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 28,19,13,1
+16   15   (12 numbers) Win
Bet Streets 13,28,19,1
-8   00   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,28,19
-8   25   (9 numbers)  Loss
Bet Streets 1 (closest Street To Zero),25,13,28
-8   5   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 4,1,25,13
-8   30   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 28,4,25,1
-8   35   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 34,28,4,25
-8   15   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 13,34,28,4
-8   18   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 16,13,34,28
-8   32   (12 numbers) Loss
Bet Streets 31,16,13,34
-8   23    (12 numbers) Loss

-48

Total is 258 numbers. Matches his total of 258 and three hits.

*****************************************************

Section 3  -36
Bet Streets 22,31,16
-6   15 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,22,31
-6   34 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 34,13,22
-6   11 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,34,13
+18   35 (9 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 34,10,1
-6   24 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 22,34,10
-6   2  (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 1,22,34
-6   13 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,1,22
-6   36 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 34,13,1
-6   29 (9 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 28,34,13
-6   21 (9 number bet) LOSS

-36

9 out of 10 drops the bet to 6 numbers

Section 4  -24
Bet Streets 19,28
+40   21 (6 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 19,28
-8   2  (6 number bet) LOSS
BetStreets 1,19
-8   24 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 22,1
-8   9  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,22
+40   8  (6 number bet) WIN
Bet Streets 7,1
-8   24 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,22
-8   11 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,22
-8   14 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,10
-8   1  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 1,13
-8   26 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 25,1
-8   21 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 19,25
-8   8  (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 7,19
-8   14 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 13,7
-8   11 (6 number bet) LOSS
Bet Streets 10,13
-8   9  (6 number bet) LOSS

-24

Lets add all of the losses
Section 1 -35
Section 2 -24
Section 3 -36
Section 4 -24

Total is -119

His number for the above sections -119

So far so good
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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #593 on: March 19, 2017, 05:44:26 PM »
there's a repetition of 10 numbers you have to remove from the initial MrTalos output, and then the 168 numbers played it's not clear what's refering exactly.

Damn, I forgot about the numbers that were removed. Were any removed during this 21 spin sequence?

TERMINATOR & Jerome,  without a clarification this section just won't be workable.

I agree. We'll wait for a clarification from DrTalos then?

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #594 on: March 19, 2017, 09:04:08 PM »
Oh I get what Jerry is saying.  We have to match the Core Progression first because if he gets a total of 10 misses in a row he must be at -93 bankroll and 0:228 HNB.  We need to demonstrate first a hit on the Core Progression before making any betting changes or we have to demonstrate that 10 consecutive misses from the beginning of a single game will end up at -93/0:228 using our new betting scheme.

Once a hit is obtained within the first 10 spins, we then can proceed with a new betting scheme.

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #595 on: March 19, 2017, 10:01:22 PM »
Sorry, I think I messed up a little. Here's the correct sequence, with the informations in the exact place meant.

18
23
4
24
28
0
15
30
20
30
15
00
25
5
30
35
15
18
32
23

At this point 258 numbers played, 3 hits

15
34
11

35
24
2
13
16
29
21
21
2
24
9

Played at this point 438 numbers, and 3 more hits. Exposure at 119. At this point, if I hit one more number in the next 10 spins, the game is over. Didn't happen.

8
24
11
14
1
26
21
8
14
11
9
11
1
5
17
10
16
11
22
33
33

This section added 168 numbers played, and granted me some more hit. Outstanding balance at this very point is 140.

16
27
00
34
20
9
36
22
5
32
36
6
4
6

Exposure at 162 now.

3
10
23
14
19
35
6
13
35
00
9
29
17
25
21
21

Was at this point playing SU numbers? No, I was not. How many more spins could have wait for one more hit if 21 would have not come? More than a dozen.

If you don't find why I play a certain amount of numbers, solving the progression used this time will be worthless. My progression adapts to the game, and the total numbers played and the units played at every steps are different, especially when the game is so long.
I don't want to discourage anyone, just want to remind you to find your own way.
The concept of a divisor is strong, and the few suggestions I gave (keep the bet at the minimum, play the most numbers you can, don't follow numbers, just the bankroll) will do the trick.

Jerome thinks I want you to work for me. That's is not true. If I don't have already a system, how can I guide you through all this chances?  The next week I will cross the 600K \$ won in USA, with 00 wheel. I really don't need anything else.
I keep making some small changes to the system, because the more spins I play the more I find way to use what I have. The major change is in the recovery section, but there are little things here and there too. This doesn't means Reyth's canons are no more valid, though. Some informations are, like the longest game or the average profit, and the total bankroll. These changes do not affect my system, because you have to consider that only 3 games out of 100 goes longer than 10 spins.
Can blow out? Why not, everything can happen at the wheel. If happens, I will loose 1% of what I get so far, so who cares (but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, like I will not see the same number out for 6 times in a row).

I will be traveling for a couple week, so if I cannot answer don't get mad.

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #596 on: March 19, 2017, 10:20:50 PM »
Mrtalos i think you confuse with somebody else i didn't say that. i was just evoking that long time ago as a joke ....

anyway thanks for clarifying and have a good trip !

jerome
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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #597 on: March 20, 2017, 12:17:21 AM »
DrTalos, you had mentioned in one of your posts that you had read other people's systems (or progressions), some on this website, and you improved upon THOSE methods to make your own current system.

Would it be asking too much for you to mention what these other systems (or progressions) are? Since your system is very different from those now, it should not reveal your current HG to us.

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #598 on: March 20, 2017, 06:13:47 AM »
To DrTalos: Thanks you for your contributions so far, hope that you will guide us more when you get back. Have a good trip, and most important, keep safe.

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##### Re: Talos_Dump
« Reply #599 on: March 20, 2017, 11:30:50 PM »
Hello,

If you think you will discover the DrTalos system by just analyzing the session dump with some following the last pattern you are very naive. MrTalos is not yet ready to give his system so easily, he knows we are many on this thread to analyse and try to do some reverse engineering about it but he's exposing that in a very confident way and giving more clues about it than never. After nearly 6 month around the talos system i'm starting to admit he played a very good game to make us guess in a very smart way but any time with the full confidence we will not find it, and im quite sure like him that we will not find it considering the clues we get now. It can change if we get more who knows ?
I will take some distance from this thread now and try to achieve maybe what drTalos wanted at the end i mean find my own way, I'm getting tired about this guessing game that's enough for me and it's the moment now to find my own way. I've the feeling last time that the equation bring more and more unknowns xyz and only the owner still get the solution cause his system is very personal.
If you take the MrTalos system and his return I'm quite sure some other systems can bring the same with a good money management, maybe even more and some of us have already a good system so why trying to pursue a system that need sometimes a 84 spin sequence to recover 1 unit ? I'm convinced some more agressive systems with a stop loss can be more efficient at the end ....
In all case nobody yet get the idea, the revolutionary one that is the basis of the drTalos system. So without that I think all our tentative will be worthless.
If anybody here can solve his session canon in a logical way or give a sense about his last sentence
"If you don't find why I play a certain amount of numbers, solving the progression used this time will be worthless. My progression adapts to the game, and the total numbers played and the units played at every steps are different, especially when the game is so long"

And of course the revolutionary idea besides this. It's not the divisor or all mathematical calculations here that will solve the trick trust me !

Good luck everybody sincerely

Jerome
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