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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2017, 08:12:27 PM »
Playing straight ups only, no progression. STOP for the day >>

BR needed >> x4 of a gross win. Example, you are using $10 units. ($350)...$1,400 BR needed.

Also stop for the day if you get to x1.5 of a net hit which also includes tipping. Example, you are using $10 units ($350)....When you reach $525, done for the day. Very easy, not rocket science.

Ken

Good way to play ....

But what is your method on straight numbers

Thanks
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2017, 08:50:59 PM »
Bankroll can not be a measure for success. An objective figure is the profit percentage of the sum of the bets.I use a percentage of 2%. Many sessions end with a much higher percentage. The average profit of my hits is about 20%. Due the zero and the no hits the percentage shall increase bets
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2017, 08:52:29 PM »
Ken, that was a straight forward answer to my question,  thank you.

I'm not at loss for systems or a clear cut approach to my own game plan, however, I feel the need to clarify this and other questions I ask.

For starters, the questions and especially this one has a strong bearing on how players determine their approach to roulette. I ask questions on behalf of all people interested in roulette that I believe may get them thinking more clearly about how they play the game. The answers to many of my questions has certainly had me tweeting my own approach.

The observation and subsequent question presented here is to clarify the need for a massive bankroll for a system that is presented as a winner. The way I see it, the bigger the bankroll requirement, the weaker the system. Who wants to play with the hope of winning? Not me! With all checks in place I want a high chance of winning and I'm sure that counts for all of us.

I can imagine how frustrated vb players must become with system threads like this. There is much that frustrates me about system player threads and comments as i too am a system player. I practise vb while I play my systems but I have not reached that level where I'll be comfortable playing with cash. Not for a long while yet.

Systems that require a portion of the felt to be bet for no reason and rely on huge bankrolls to fund the progression are a waste of time. These are the type of systems the casinos like to see you play because you're playing to fill their pockets.

I hope this is clear to all.
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2017, 08:53:48 PM »
As usual.....we'll get 62 different guys thinking they are right. Its a joke. To each their own I guess.

Ken
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2017, 08:55:00 PM »
Playing straight ups only, no progression. STOP for the day >>

BR needed >> x4 of a gross win. Example, you are using $10 units. ($350)...$1,400 BR needed.

Also stop for the day if you get to x1.5 of a net hit which also includes tipping. Example, you are using $10 units ($350)....When you reach $525, done for the day. Very easy, not rocket science.

Ken

Good way to play ....

But what is your method on straight numbers


Enjoy your day.

Ken
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2017, 09:00:49 PM »
Lol. So true. Studying the makeup of other players may help improve your game .
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2017, 09:05:27 PM »
Well, it cant hurt anything to read posts.

Ken
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 10:58:33 PM »
From my perspective, only one thing matters:

Does the system survive the worst sequences we are ever likely to see?

Evidence of this will be seen in the profits generated.  The first benchmark is doubling of the bankroll; multiple doublings is the cinch.  Careful attention must be paid to playing with too small of a bankroll as that will yield a false rating.

Another benchmark is number of betting spins, which varies from system to system; I would need to see 10,000 betting spins before I ever even begin thinking a system is successful.  A similar benchmark is number of coups taken.

Once we have crafted a system that does this, adjustments can be made to increase the unit size to accomodate the profit:time ratio that we desire, deal with table limits (if there are any) and make adjustments to alter the monetary & methodical characteristics of the system.

Without the bolded in conjunction with the evidence, nothing can be achieved nor matters and with it, everything can be achieved that we wish.

In a phrase:

Do whatever it takes to win first, then worry about the practical details.

Its like the rules of Brainstorming:

There are no dumb ideas. Period. It is a brainstorming session, not a matter that requires only the most practical solutions.

Build on other people’s ideas. Often an idea suggested by one person can trigger a bigger and/or better idea by another person. Or a variation of an idea could be the next “velcro” idea. It is this building of ideas that leads to out of the box thinking and fantastic ideas.

Reverse the thought of “quality over quantity.”

By mentally freeing ourselves to create a winning system, we can discover new things that we never were aware of, to give us the breakthrough we are looking for.
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2017, 11:48:22 PM »
Reyth, 10 000 betting spins is an awful lot, especially if you collect the data yourself and if you are concentrating on B/M tables. Must the data be collected from one table or can it be collected from many tables? Must croupier changes be noted and taken into account as well?

I don't think doubling, /incresing bankroll should not  be used to judge ones success but rather the attainment of your set win goals per session/day that could differ drastically from the size of the bankroll.

Why would you continue playing a bad sequence when you have a stop loss in place or a trigger that dictates let's say five spins then stop and wait for new trigger. Are you referring to a sequence of back to back losses?
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 12:17:02 AM »
I cannot address AP concerns.  I would consider all spins valid that take place in a real casino that provides fair results.

I feel your pain and maybe I would suggest using Mr. J's benchmark of won/recovered sessions over a prolonged period and in multiple casinos.

RNG is so ingrained in the way that I think about roulette, I often forget it is the same way for B&M players. >.<

Yes, successive drawdowns.  A stop loss only opens the door of recovery; we will either regain profit immediately or we will lose again further.
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2017, 12:48:34 AM »
Stop- loss!!! It should be understandable for any player, be it system or whatever.
   No need to play when it's really bad. No need bankroll to survive worst, it's sefdestruction programming. If your system is " surviving" , then it can not profit properly on " when it's good".
   Not even AP permit to win optimally , if player will be " surviving ". Yes, AP will win, but with such a strategy in mind his  $/ hour will be compromised.  What in such a situation will be result of system player... lm afraid to even think about it.
   System players use some tools, right? Stop- loss, triggers to prevent really worst and capitalise on good. Then why program system to " survive"?  In this aspect AP is not different.
    What is this idea anyway , to compromise entire bankroll to one play opportunity?  And if it's lost, what to do?
 
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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2017, 12:54:27 AM »
Triggers? I'm in the middle on this. I mean, isn't EVERY bet, technically "triggered" by something?

Ken
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2017, 03:21:28 AM »
As long as this " something" triggers result.   
   We tolk about systems, or random betting after all?
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2017, 09:38:28 AM »
On the long run all systems shall fail. A 18 number bet system ( ECs)   fails after about150 spins  and after 250 spins the loss is permanent 2,7%. A 2 number bet system fails likely after more than 10000 spins. This certainty is very easy to simulate with the computer. RNG or B&M number rows there is no difference
 

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Re: Session goals and Bankroll
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2017, 10:20:08 AM »
In theory all systems she'll fail... in practice,  if you got yourself positive expectation bet selection,  rare system will be not successful. 
   It's about what you bet, not what system you use.