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Roulette ball
« on: November 27, 2017, 12:57:05 AM »
What material is used to make a roulette ball?

Is the ball at all hollow on the inside?

Why are there two different ball sizes?

What outside energy can influence ball behaviour?

Please feel free to include any relevant information regarding the roulette ball. The info  you provide may create a stir or it it may simply put a few myths to sleep.


 
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 09:59:16 AM »
The ball has as much impact on the game as the wheel does and I was truly hoping to hear from some of the experts.

What I've managed to find out is that the balls are made of acetal, nylon, phenolic and Teflon. The material the ball is made of has has an impact on the ball liveliness, so how do we know what type of ball it is simply by looking at it?

I've read about the magnetic centre of some balls that begs answers.
 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 12:53:52 PM »
 Ball has "variable" importance depending on the method that you play.
    How dence is a material will affect ball travel times (wight/ specific gravity ). How mach ball jump will affect dispersion of distances produced and any wheel bias manifestation (numbers)...
    I only can speak about types of ball l profiled :
 Teflon...
        Ball jump is reduced , because material is not jumpy. Good for ds/vb methods based on distances...  it's affected less by wheel bias then any other type of ball. This type of ball require precision prediction method, it's very likely to overshoot your vb target and go somewhere else in "marginal tilt " play situations.
 Very often this type of ball opens possibility for vb number hunt ( individual /2-3 number bets ).
 With this type of ball very early predictions is possible. ...
         Composite ( acetat)...
      Ball is affected by bias of wheel the most. It's very "loyal" to diamonds in play, not very likely to overshoot your target, but ball jump is affected great deal by bias...  Best ball of all for bias player due to its jumping all over the place..   it has more chances to find bias numbers even if it dropped somewhere else... 
 Normally it's discarded by vb players with low level of skill due to variability of distances produced. Ball is light and any additional rotational effect greatly affects ball timings. It's affected a lot by atmosphere pressure, l personally can tell is it starts to rain ( or stops) outside of casino while playing with this type of ball....
       Synthetic evorene... 
Probably most difficult ball type to play. It's more heavy then composite, but still very jumpy. It produces highest and most not logical dispersion of distances. For many players it's a ball from hell. 
    There is positivity to this ball... it's easy to differenciate it from other materials just by color ( yellowish).
         
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    Besides type of ball , it's important the size.
Any changes in ball size or material do greatly affect results.  Treat other ball as completely other playing situation that require assessment from very beginning.  Like other roulette wheel in other casino.... 
 
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2017, 12:55:12 PM »
Whatever the ball is made of, it leaves the rim when the the centrifugal forces is less then the mass of the ball.
Every ball fall at the moment when the centrifugal is less then the mass, whetever it is made of let it even be ivory or gold.
 
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 01:06:37 PM »
Jesper, please continue to present your idea.... did you came to the level where ball material does not affect your prediction ability?
    I would love to know about your results.
 

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 02:09:32 PM »
I am convinced that the ball has no influence on the randomness of the outcome. This is the basis require ment of every roulette authority, else the roulette is not certificated.
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 02:43:20 PM »
 And who convinced you of such thing? It should be very lazy fellow whow has powerful convince ability.
   Examine this " conviction "... you will see its based on nothing and has nothing to do with reality.
    Believe without confirm by own experience. .. it's a very weak position to be from players point of view.
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 03:15:13 PM »
Jesper, please continue to present your idea.... did you came to the level where ball material does not affect your prediction ability?
    I would love to know about your results.

The Newtonian way was enough to place a man on moon, when the centrifugal forces overcome the mass, you will never land. The ball start drop only when the opposite forces are less then gravity (and some small friction).
 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2017, 03:43:20 PM »
Jesper,  l do not wanna be mean to your belive system..   
  It's not really posible to go to the moon.... high radiation belt is around the earth, and we got no tech to overcome it's affect... it's simply death for any living organizm.
   You are free to belive any bs you want, but reality is other, be it roulette or moon travel...
   OK,  you can adjust to drop point, it's not really a problem,  but what to do with ball jump???
    Where to expect ball to stop? As previous one? "They " do not really pay for a prediction to drop point, you know? Number is what matters!!!!
 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 04:08:16 PM »
Jesper,  l do not wanna be mean to your belive system..   
  It's not really posible to go to the moon.... high radiation belt is around the earth, and we got no tech to overcome it's affect... it's simply death for any living organizm.
   You are free to belive any bs you want, but reality is other, be it roulette or moon travel...
   OK,  you can adjust to drop point, it's not really a problem,  but what to do with ball jump???
    Where to expect ball to stop? As previous one? "They " do not really pay for a prediction to drop point, you know? Number is what matters!!!!

The ball's size and mass means nothing, the mass of the ball is negligible in relation to the Earth's mass.
(Which is in the Newtonian formula)
The ball drops as the gravity catch it and the opposite forces are less.
There are other issues of course, but the balls size and material means near nothing.
The speed is important, all balls drops at a certain speed allways.
The moon landing was just a picture of Newtonian rules, and we do not need to include radiation.
The point here is  if the ball has influence by material or weight, I say NOT, if you know the speed it does not matter.

 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 04:17:03 PM »
MrPerfect, thanks for the information. How long do you have to watch a ball in play to identify it's properties?

I look at this discussion from a logical point of view. The ball is part of the equation responsible for the randomness of the game and every element in an equation has some weight in influencing the result or outcomes.

Any words on magnetic balls?
 
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 04:33:28 PM »
To watch...  if it's face to face, one spin is enough.  If it's online..  up to 400.
    Bring magnet with you... if it atracts the ball, start to breack a havoc in damn place!!! Turn table's,  break bones of pit boss, make sure you incapacitate floor supervisor and if you can get to the general manager and owner of casino - good!!! Use the crowd, they are likely to help you in your task in such a scenario.
   Do not forgive cheaters, they must die.
 
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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 04:38:53 PM »
 Jesper??? Hello? ???  Earth is calling!!! Your bs becomes annoying....
    Up till now lm only one here ( on YouTube as well) who ever show off such a play ( with different balls).
   You wanna be a second? More then welcome - upload video of you predicting different balls in action. Wating....
 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2017, 05:21:28 PM »
I do not use any so called AP methods, as I do not think they are of any use. We at my university use forum discussion in teaching students to classify mental disorders. That's true and not any personal against anyone here.

The rule of the ball's movement should use scientific analysis, and I may ask if anybody ring a hydrometer a barometer or such devises while predicting the ball's route?

Speed and the diff of the speed a turn may help, but the rest is so chaotic, it is not accurate at all, I would see it as an manifestation of apophenia, among the believers.
 

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Re: Roulette ball
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2017, 05:28:58 PM »


Jesper is not entirely right because he posits that we live in a Universe governed by strictly Newtonian laws. I wrote an article some months ago about the game of roulette viewed from a Quantum Physicist's POV.

Article here: What is the true nature of that which we call future?
http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1847.msg26264#msg26264

Now if you really want to study and understand the real physics (Newtonian style) behind a roulette ball this pdf file is a must read - Predicting the outcome of roulette. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.6412.pdf

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