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2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« on: November 12, 2017, 09:38:19 AM »
The question is motivated by the amount of numbers next to each other on the wheel. Each number slot on the wheel has a 9.73 degree windows and the neighbour number have a 19,5 degree windows. The numbers are:
19-15
18-22
14-20
16-24
The first dozen only has 5-10 together and the third dozen has none.

What advantage if any is there for the second dozen?


 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 04:58:19 PM »
 There is one. Unfortunately it's advantage for a casino, not you. There is no advantage to be found on the felt. Any bet on the felt is same as any other, no reason to prefer it ower any other bet.
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 08:01:36 AM »
The felt and wheel are two different entities. My question is about the appearance of the mentioned numbers on the wheel. The fact that they appear in the 2nd dozen on the felt should have an influence on game play.

I do realise that there is no benefit for vb players as the majority of the numbers are grouped to the left of the wheel but this may influence system players.

When you say it has one benefit only and it favours the casino are you referring to these numbers as a type of Venus flytrap to attract players to that area of the wheel?
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 09:56:09 AM »
 The numbers are money. If you bet more numbers , you need a reason to do so. Betting dousens , you bet negative expectation  numbers as well,wich reduce both you win if you are right and probability of win in general.
    Betting groups of numbers offered by casino as outside bets is always not a very good idea. It is a trap.
    You need to choose your own numbers to bet, not what casino offers you .
    American wheel is more friendly in terms of covering wheel sectors of numbers on the felt with outside bets.
 Hope it clarify your doubts.
 
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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 03:41:31 PM »
I think the smaller the group the greater control we have over which numbers we are betting but the more expensive it will be to bet those numbers AND handle the variance.
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 06:54:58 PM »
Thank you for the feedback. I do tend to agree with both of you based on how you play the game. I suppose two numbers together anywhere on the wheel will provide the same advantage if any as stated.
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 12:25:16 PM »
Advantage= more hits then expectation dictate.  Numbers may or may not provide such a thing... it's a subject to study and verify by statistical means.
     Sometimes it makes sense to bet more numbers in order to reduce variance.... even if you go that way, remember that it reduces pay per hit as well..... betting larger sector in order to get more hits is not always a good idea. Make your math properly.
 
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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 03:29:02 PM »
The LotT ALWAYS provides these numbers in every session of any length.
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 08:12:08 PM »
The LotT ALWAYS provides these numbers in every session of any length.

Reyth, will you please explain your reply in a bit more detail. Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 10:08:49 PM »
1) LotT (Law of the Third) sessions are 37 spins in length and after 37 spins, EACH SPIN is a new 37 spin session
2) Within each LotT session, there will always be a group of numbers that have hit more often than expectation AND more often than other numbers.  This is because:

We are dealing with a closed circuit triad (limited results):

1) Number results
2) Felt locations
3) Sequence length


We can ALWAYS count on these higher than expectation and highest overall selections being present because practically speaking, roulette will not produce perfectly balanced results across all numbers.

The "secret" is that these superlative results extend over a longer term than the short-term trends that every selection normally goes through; i.e. the hottest group will slow down and then speed up but when it speeds up again, its still the best group even after 100's and even 1000's of spins.

I call this phenomenon RNG BiasTM.

Because it doesn't have the stability of physical bias, there are SWITCHES & DISPERSION from time to time, but this is clearly trackable and to a certain extent, forecastable.
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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 10:22:50 PM »
To be honest I can join MickyP in the group of guys that are apologists of the Roulette Glossary. I have seen LotT here in the forum multiple times but never associated to the Law of The Thirds, although I was well aware of it. Multiple systems use it, some guys that claim to had unravel the Holy Grail have on the background the LotT, yet, as many things in roulette, it can either be loved or discredited.
 
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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 10:36:46 PM »
The LotT can never be discredited as it is a statistical fact but it certainly can be (& is) called useless by those that don't care to investigate its potential, using the reason of maths & GF theory.

These "uncaring" people usually are AP's and they are correct in advocating accurate AP play as the statistically best way to approach the game but where they cross the line is when they declare that AP is the only way.

With proper decisions, system players CAN achieve an edge -- we don't have to prove it by doing so (which is extremely difficult) but only prove that it is POSSIBLE (which is very easy).

The prosecution in a legal case is at a disadvantage and the defense is favored.

Finally, if system players would work as hard as AP players, they would conquer roulette on a statistical level.  I am aware of some system players that have.
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Re: 2nd dozen advantage on a European wheel
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 10:39:45 PM »
Touché. Couldn't agree more.