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funtomas76

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System DKP
« on: October 17, 2017, 06:43:39 PM »

The DKP-System is a mixture of three betting strategies I found here.

I played this online as well as in real casino touchbet many times and it works fine for me.

My wingoal is 50 units for a session.
My bankroll is 200 units (and thats more than enough normally).

Most of you probably know the Kavouras betting.

Two similar strategies are the 4 Pillars and the Dadarian betting strategy. In the following I only call them D, K or P.

You can find them here:

http://www.roulette30.com/p/kavouras-bet.html [nofollow]
http://www.roulette30.com/win/4-pillars-system-notes-madman [nofollow]

Sorry, I can't find the page for the Dadarian bet no more, but you have to bet 5 units (5 quads)
0 1 2 3
5 6 8 9
14 15 17 18
19 20 22 23
31 32 34 35

With K you bet 20 numbers with 8 units.
With P you bet 24 numbers with 6 units.
With D you bet 20 numbers with 5 units.

Many thanks Kav and the others for this - good work!

So, which one do you choose to bet and when? I tested each of them and found that every system could fail if you play every spin.

Which is the strategy with best profit? Imagine 37 times every number comes one time you have this result for D:

0   +4
1   +4
2   +4
3   +4
4   -5  (because you bet 5 units)
5   +4
6   +6
7   -5
and so on

I added the plus results and the minus results for D, K and P and then divided minus by plus
48 (plus) / 50 (minus) = 0,92

Best result would be 1 or higher but this is not possible.
Eg. and even chance would have 0,94 as well (18:19) - but even chances are boring ;-)

So for me D is the best, and K is better then P because of less units to bet.
So priority for me to bet is D-K-P.

For every number coming you have to notice to which this number belongs and which strategy fails.

Just look after each spin, what to play. E.g. numer 11 comes, you see it
belongs to K, but not to D or P. Priority is D-K-P, so play D.

If no hit progressive with martingale until hit, then check again what to play.

So far this was my first version of DKP.

Then i had bad luck with progressive on K 5 times and then unfortunately quad 0/3 came.
Problem is: K has only 20 numbers so the no-hit numbers could come more often than on D or P.
And a hit with P gives you not everytime new higher bankroll.

So then came version 2.0 of DKP:

you have to wait  different times of no-hit (virtually) and i changed priority.

Now it's very easy:

Step 1: Last numer doesn't belong to D - bet D until hit - else go tot step 2
Step 2: last two numbers doesn't belong to P - bet P until hit - else go to step 3
Step 3: last three numbers don't belong to K - bet K until hit - else nothing to bet

additionally:
If K hits on split, stay on K until you loose
If P hits on quad,  stay on P until you loose.
Thats's beause if you fail the second bet, you are in plus anyway.

My wingoal is 50 units for a session.
My bankroll is 200 units (and thats more than enough normally).

I am sure if you follow this, it's nearly not possible to loose your money
and you will have constant winnings. You will not get rich quickly, but the profit comes
very sure and constantly.

Good luck.
 


 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 08:04:28 PM »
On this forum you can find the results of my excel programs. For the 20 number bets the DTOP is about 120 spins. It is not a surprise that these systems fail. You must start to learn the features of the short run sequences. After that you can develop different strategies. Without a strategy a permanent profit is impossible.
 

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Re: System DKP
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 09:16:19 PM »
Great idea!  Sputnik also does something like this with multiple systems.

Have you mapped out the numbers covered by all 3 systems and analyzed their overlap, mutual lack of coverage and any particular strengths/weaknesses in their overlap?

Could you also analyze numbers that are hitting more than their due for each of the systems?

Maybe more of an "Oscar's Grind" (min bet to achieve profit) approach would work better than Marty?

I mean to stave off a prolonged losing streak for longer.

I am very interested to hear about the comparative number coverage for the 3 systems. :)
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 01:55:05 AM by Reyth »
 

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Re: System DKP
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 10:05:44 AM »
It is much faster to compute the result of the three systems with the same random sequence. With one mouse click and the program creates a new sample. I predict that the sum of the profit is always negative with a trial of 500 spins. Such trials can not done manual.
 

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Re: System DKP
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 02:48:04 PM »
@dobbelsteen
Every system could fail. I don't think you could find a system mathematically which wins each and every time.
So i have accepted this, and accepted a loss of 200 sometimes. That's why you have to stop when your wingoal is reached. In the attachment you can see how fast that can happen (original numbers from Baden-Baden). After 15 I have bet again K, because there was a hit on a split.

If you want to have a very very safe variation from dkp:
Only bet when a number comes that belongs to none of the three system (e.g. 10 or 24) . Then bet on the system from the number that came before.
        D K P
4            X
24   
Now bet on P. If again a number comes that belongs not to dkp, play martingale. Otherwise stop, only one betting. you have a win oder only a small loose. This is very safe, and it works! But you have rare triggers.
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 03:08:08 PM »
If we wait until we get 10, 16 or 24, why not bet the farthest back system that hit instead of the most recent?

So on Line 5, for instance, we would bet K?

One guy on this forum used to play the Kav after a gap of 5 spins without the splits hitting.  I used to ignore the DS & corner hits and play after 4 cumulative split misses.

I think there could be a very powerful analysis system applied to this that would maximize our odds even further.

For instance, if we were to track all spins and identify the hottest numbers on the board, we could find THE system that would pay the best on those numbers.  As the numbers shifted, our play could shift with them.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 03:24:59 PM by Reyth »
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 03:16:29 PM »


 I will mention something i have been testing and are still development

 You have 50% chance to hit a serie of three within two singles
 You have 50% chance to hit two singles with no serie of three
 Series of two between them is break even territorium

 So i been testing Kavoras and Brett Morton methods with Carch Star Variant Progression
 Winning two in a row

 1) This means you can aim for hitting two singles and break even with series of two and lose two attempts against serie of three
 2) This means you can aim for hitting a serie of three and break even with series of two and lose two attempts against two singles

 Cheers
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 03:20:57 PM »
Reyth, very nice idea!

I will check this with my sequences! Probably this could be better than mine.

Everyone is invited to improve this method  :)

Actually I think only to bet when 10 12 16 21 24 come, could be better in the long run.
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 03:28:15 PM »
Sputnik when you test the system or methods then it must be easy to make a full report. I am always curious for test results to compare them with my results. what is your test method?
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 04:26:18 PM »


Oh noes, its the ANTI-DKP!! :o
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 05:53:18 PM »
Better 21/24 as a split, and street 16-17-18. More profit.

But I think this was a joke anyway. ;D
 

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Re: System DKP
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 08:22:37 PM »
No deadly serious.  But I chose that selection because it covers 10 numbers for better odds to hit overall.  If we find that our "anti" numbers are hot (especially 24 or 10,12), we can play the Anti-DKP (A).
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 12:24:44 PM »
Here my test results for 100 and 500 spins samples. As expected no surprise. Short events the results are unpredictable. the long run events end nearly almost negative. My conclusion is that there is no benefit by uniting these systems. It is very difficult to develop a playable strategy. For live or auto roulette these combination is to complex.
 
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Re: System DKP
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 12:45:56 PM »
 Bravo Dobbelsteen! 
    The thing is , roulette is simple, no need to complicate. There are numbers that hit more, there are numbers that hit less... 
    Who bet on "more " numbers has a higher chance to win. Who bet on " less " numbers ... his life sucks as a roulette player.
     If no odds are disrupted, result- loss. If odds are disrupted- result depends on proficiency of player. For most its huge loss, for most determined it's win.
      So the real qwestion is " how deep is your love? "..  " how far you wanna / prepared to go to win.".
      These who have balls, l expect in my vb school, thesee who " know themselves " or " can't be bothered to learn"..  or whatever..  BIG THANK YOU for you general contribution for industry itself, without you it wouldn't be possible.
    It's a "fight club" official anonce, fighters are welcome. ... 
 

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Re: System DKP
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2017, 03:03:17 PM »
For everyone who will not give up ...
 ;D

I found the following sequence today:
          D   P   K
20      x   x   x
3        x        x
23      x   x
24
12
24
28           x
28           x
9       x    x
17     x    x   x

Three Anti-Numbers in a row, followed by a repeater number only belongs to P. K missing 7 times.
Reyth, your idea would loss (mine as well.)
But what about this: If a Anti-Number comes or Number comes which belongs to all systems, check the next numbers and wait until only one system has not been come. Not until then play that system.
In the example not bet after 24. Wait. P comes with 28. D comes with 9. Then bet on K the still missing system.

What do you think?
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