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scepticus

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Listen to Real when it comes to wheels Heatmap. He worked in that industry for many years and knows more about wheel manufacture than the rest of us put together.
His ability to profit from that knowledge  by actually betting on roulette , though, is questionable.
 

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@real I'm done with the air jets. But I am sticking to my guns on this one guys. I know for certain that at least one of you all can go to a casino and find these rectangular, okay I'll call them abrasions as well, but you will see that they are in every pocket and that they are below the normal abrasions that are on the bottom, if you find a wheel with these in it.
 

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Heat,

They are nothing more than the abrasion marks from the ball.  If you look closely at these marks, you'll see that they extend a specific distance from the fret walls and that this distance rather closely matches the radius of the roulette ball.  Again, I own this model of wheel and I can tell you what's below the pockets, and every component of the wheel.  If you want more pictures, just let me know.  What should interest you more is when one of these rectangular abrasions doesn't match the other pockets.  When that happens it can be an indication that the insert is bowing upwards because the glue holding it in place has broken down/releasing.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 03:11:15 AM by kav »
 
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@real Yes I want pictures of the pockets specifically and the abrasions that have been caused by your balls. Does your wheel contain these rectangular pieces in the pocket?
 

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Yes it does.

I really don't understand why you think it's something other than the abrasion from the ball.  If you pull back the insert, then all you'll see is the aluminum floor of the wheel.
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If pockets have air jets (to deflect the ball  from landing on a heavily bet number), it  constitutes cheating.  Well beyond  the HE they are allowed to levy. The gaming commission would come down hard on the casino with heavy fines or even closing down the casino. And I don't think the casino would want to take a chance in losing their license. Besides, someone has to control those air jets whenever necessary. That someone can use it against the casino if he ever has a grudge against it, even exposing it publicly in the media, creating an  outcry.
 
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@real pics or it didn't happen. For real. And why would you take something apart you most likely spent thousands of dollars on? Did you have the same suspicion? You l wanted to see what was under those rectangular spots?

@scepticus where is your skepticism on this one

@palestis I don't know how many times I have to say I dont think it's air any more

@everyone I have one more trick up my sleeve I'll be back , because I know I'm right
 
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 Heatmap,  desasembling was the first thing l did when l got mine wheel. This is how maintenance done... besides it was interesting :).
   
 

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I cannot say how impressed I am by all this wierdness, because that's what it is.
Why the questions about the wheel, when you must have had full access to it where you could take a photo from such an angle?
Was the Casino closed while this was happening, because if you took that shot, when the joint was open, welll....... you can guess!
We can see that it's an old Huxley wheel, with the American 0-00 configuration, but the is nothing except normal wear and tear in those pockets as far as I can see.
I will reserve my qualified opinion until you have responded.
Casino management loves to read offbeat, paranoid or delusional comments in the various forums, and have a little chuckle about it.
The best scenario for them is, do nothing, and let the "mug punters" (That's their term for us) succumb to such rumours and confusion.
I do admit, there were "juiced" tables around, back in the day, but this, even as old as it is, is not old enough to be one of them.
The 30's, probably, remember the button under the table in "The Sting"?
Heatmap, pay attention to MrPerfect, (with the style that George Hamilton would just die for), he knows a thing or two.
Can hardly wait for your trick-up-the-sleeve!
Then I will share mine too.

 
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@fydor these pictures are NOT my wheels, but pictures of a wheel which 100% represent what the wheels of my casino have in them. I purposely spent hours and hours on Google to find a good picture of what was going on so that I know that my wheels aren't the only ones out there with this technology. I have hundreds of pictures of close up wheel pockets and this was one of the only ones with these "discolorations" as prominent and visible as the wheels at my casino. The trick up my sleeve has been revealed it's just a matter of camera and sound and uploading the proof to YouTube.

And another thing, this isn't about the casino cheating anymore to me. This is about the states or origin of the casinos and the laws they employ. I see much clearer now that I don't blame the casino for the shady stuff because of some of the materials I've read online. Of course the casinos wouldn't risk there licence or whatever that stupid excuse we get is when we ask if they would rig a wheel. It's not the casino who orders the wheels around me it's the gaming control boards because they comply with how the laws are written. Maybe not elsewhere but here yes.
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Heat, here is what I think is most likely to have caused the smudges/abrasions.
Two guys decided to buy a roulette wheel, to practice on and improve their knowledge of the game from the other side of the table.
They hunted through Craigslist and other auction sites online and published, and finally tracked down a retired Casino wheel (probably from Atlantic City or Vegas), within the price range, so they did the transaction, and had it FedExed home.
First thing they discovered about real roulette wheels, is that they are HEAVY, so they "unboxed" it on the FLOOR, and took photos of it, CLOSE-UP with an i-Phone 6 or equivalent.
Then they "played" with it, by casually spinning the ROTOR one way, then the other.
As there was no BALL immediately available, they just spun the ROTOR  back and forth, till the CAT joined in, dabbling at the pockets as they spun past.
So, this is a privately owned wheel, in fair condition, being seen by the new owners for the first time.
And they did not see anything other than normal wear and tear, (and CAT PAW PRINT SMUDGES) so why should we suspect anything else?
 
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Fyodor, thanks for kind words. Do l know you by any chance?
 

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I agree with the majority of reply regarding the rectangular marks on "every number" on the wheel in the photographs.

The "marks" show a balanced wheel that has been well used, balanced because every number shows similar yet not identical wear and tear.

The marks are possibly the result of polish being wore away by the ball and that's the reason for the blurred look of the rectangles.

I further agree that the wheel is privately owned as no casino would allow one of their wheels to end up in such a state. In the many years I've played roulette I've never seen a wheel in this condition.

Casinos do not have to cheat by changing the dynamics of wheels operated by croupiers for a number of reasons. Firstly they have the house edge, secondly the number of bets placed on the table exceeds the payout on a win over the majority of spins and thirdly, if and when they do cheat it will be through other means like influencing the time you anticipated playing at the table and possibly sending in a specialist croupier who may be able to swing hour wins into losses.
 
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Even without a cheating they have many means to infuence the game... but sometimes they do just that - cheating, especially online.