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thomasleor

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 09:28:38 PM »

Do you see? You just made my point from my previous post. Your mind is so deeply invested in that idea, that it excludes any and all other possibilities.

There was once this little boy who guarded his fathers trees. Every morning he went out and took care of them in the way his father had taught him. He knew them all by heart and had even given them names. One day a stranger passed by and looked at the trees and the boy that took care of them.

"That´s one mighty nice forest you have there, son, he laughed."

"What forest? The boy replied. I only take care of the trees." ;)
 

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 09:47:50 PM »
Ok.  So you claim that your winning amounts are greater than your losing amounts?

I should like to see the amounts say, for the last 2 months.  Every time you accept a loss as an end to your betting session, add that to your losses.  Your overall profit will simply be what it is.

So after 2 months, your losses are less than what you have won?  If so, I would love to see those figures.
 

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 10:26:44 PM »
In my platforms a loss IS NOT an end to a betting session.

Every session has a target to be reached. Once this target is reached (usually informed by the platform shining a green lamp), the session stops. Our platforms have win loss indicators informing the user of actual realtime status on won and lost bets. So far the won bets dominates the lost ones. If anything I showed you a small draft from one of my test pilots.

Usually a test session is about 60-100 spins where the placed bets measure somewhere on average between 30-60 bets. The average W/L is around 55-60% won bets.

Max dip...that is max consecutive lost bets, are on average around 2-4 i.e 28-56 units during a session in a period of negative bet selection variance.

Profit in units per session was with the initial platforms around +100 units, it soared at peak record levels of +300 to +600 units per session during development of the Fulcrum platform and then when later models were developed, consolidated at a more normal stable level of +200 to +250 units per session this autumn.

Not once since the beginning two years ago did a single test pilot blow his entire bankroll or even went negative more than -70 units (the standard bankroll being 300-500 units (there to cover at least 3 sessions before bust).

I enclose a small part of our testledgers just to show you the testresults from two different platforms, TRIGO and Xtreme Alpha that implemented two different sector predicting algorithms. As you see, you find only ONE losing session that ended in a minor -55 units game bfore the test pilot decided to eject and live to fight another day.

I am aware I don´t need to show you this as the burden of proof is not on me. It is up to you to find a way to get out from that mental cage you have created where you believe in that losing dictum you keep posting and waste so much good energy on that I am sure would easily be capable of creating something really great once you rewired that brain of yours.

I don´t think I can help you see the light out of that dilemma you presently abide as long as you persist believing what your mind stubbornly thinks is the absolute reality of roulette.
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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2017, 10:43:38 PM »
Thank you for sharing your information.  I think its very important and I appreciate it.

There is a difference between averages of individual sessions and total results over an extended period.  I know you must have losing results from your own sessions.  We all have to be honest about them because we cannot avoid them.

I realize you don't have to accept any "burden of proof" and provide actual evidence of your assertions.  I just wanted to be clear however about what we all deal with.



Just had a particulary poignant example of betting in the "theoretically correct" manner without using a trigger:

I went up 129 base monetary units in a single session BUT if I had bet straight through in that session I would have had TWO successive losses and ended up being down over 1200 BU!

Instead I avoided both losing sequences, profiting on each one. :)
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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2017, 10:01:32 AM »
My question is, can WHEEL BIAS( caused by external forces) and INDEPENDENT EVENTS coexist? Definitely not. Both conditions are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

Palestis,

This is wrong. Bias and independence are not mutually exclusive. It's largely for lack of understanding this why people continue to work endlessly on systems which use past results, "virtual" wins and losses etc
 

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2017, 12:43:32 PM »
Excerpt VRTech ledger Trigo and Xtreme test sessions.png   Looks like all wheels are quite much landbased casinos wheels not live roulettes from some studios
 

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2017, 01:04:15 PM »
Excerpt VRTech ledger Trigo and Xtreme test sessions.png   Looks like all wheels are quite much landbased casinos wheels not live roulettes from some studios

They are from landbased Casinos that are connected to a HD video feed via the Casino in cooperation with Online Sport betting companies like Unibet, or online portals like Leovegas Dublinbet etc or Landbased Casinos  that have their own feed, like Portomaso Casino or Draghonara in Malta.
 
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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2017, 02:07:57 PM »
Yep thomasleor but when roughly all games are played just in those landbased casino roulette tables I assume on this basis that you like more a landbased casino roulette tables prefer a gaming place than just a live roulette made in some of the studios in England or Latvia or Malta .etc Immersive Roulette Live and Extreme Gaming golden ball and sizzling hot Roulette .etc
 

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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2017, 03:27:47 PM »

Yes, that is true.
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Re: Why we lose - a philosophical approach
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2017, 05:47:33 PM »
Sometimes we lose, as I the session is extended, a modular way try to catch.  I have got a grand loss 4 times, and never it outrange the win. On zero or Noz.  I got a devil run today, went back 100 Euro on a cent play. (this happen)
I carnage the method, but not to take it back fast. At  no I am at 67 Euro, the back not lifetime. I try to take it all back, but we should never, never feel sure.   We lose and we win, touch wood I still win.
 
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