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scepticus

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2016, 02:45:37 AM »
Let me be clear, Mr Perfect.

What you claim to be able to do can be done on ANY wheel. It does not need to be biased. As there are  more “normal” wheels than biased ones then talk of   bias is irrelevant.
Mathematicians would. I am sure, tell you that what you claim to be a bias is only variance at play.
I am not impressed with claims of “ The Only Way “ whether it be AP , Hot numbers or anything else. 
I am   interested in ideas . Ideas that have reasonable expectations of success. I am not impressed with claims such as yours that you consistently profit from your version of AP. 

That said, you are due credit for trying to explain your method , most APs don’t. 
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2016, 06:46:32 AM »
Let me be clear, Mr Perfect.

What you claim to be able to do can be done on ANY wheel. It does not need to be biased. As there are  more “normal” wheels than biased ones then talk of   bias is irrelevant.
Mathematicians would. I am sure, tell you that what you claim to be a bias is only variance at play.
I am not impressed with claims of “ The Only Way “ whether it be AP , Hot numbers or anything else. 
I am   interested in ideas . Ideas that have reasonable expectations of success. I am not impressed with claims such as yours that you consistently profit from your version of AP. 

That said, you are due credit for trying to explain your method , most APs don’t.
It's OK,  lm not here to impress you personally,  just answering your qwestions best l can.
  Not any wheel is profitable, at least for me.
 If it would be just variance, casinos wouldn't freak out and remove wheels after attack or upply countermeasures together with frequent maintenance. ....
    AP do have preferences, wheels do offer different advantage ( if any). In short ,wheel have to be not random. ..if it's random,  AP better go elsewhere or learn to play systems , l gess  ;D
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2016, 07:37:18 AM »
In this thread Kav, scepticus , Mr Perfect and my casino board use all different definition of hot and cold.

It is very understandable that there is no consensus. In many topics I see the same. A  good debate start with the definition of the arguements and statements.
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2016, 08:07:14 AM »
In this thread Kav, scepticus , Mr Perfect and my casino board use all different definition of hot and cold.

It is very understandable that there is no consensus. In many topics I see the same. A  good debate start with the definition of the arguements and statements.
As an option, l described this way somewhere already....
 Look to " hot" numbers in a set of conditions...
 1. Same dealer
 2. Same ball
 3. Same rotor speeds
 4. Same ball behavior.
 A bit on last one.... you probably would like to target particular ball behavior that happen when numbers went hot. If ball start to do something else- desicion time. Means, if ball used to beat particular diamond ( normally high point of tilt) and jump a lot.... as long as it continue this way- bet same numbers or sectors wich come most of the time ( hot). If ball starts to do something else ( beat other diamond or jump less).... stop.
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2016, 10:03:11 AM »
someone pass me a shovel so I can dig mr j out from under this heap...
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2016, 04:13:40 PM »
someone pass me a shovel so I can dig mr j out from under this heap...
No need, trilo.
Mr J  is sitting atop the heap and LAUGHING !
He likes a good argument.  Stir it up - then walk away !
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2016, 11:52:27 PM »
someone pass me a shovel so I can dig mr j out from under this heap...
No need, trilo.
Mr J  is sitting atop the heap and LAUGHING !
He likes a good argument.  Stir it up - then walk away !

No no no but what I am GOOD at, I get people thinking and posting. Some of you here dont agree with each other. So what?

Ken
 
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2016, 02:40:48 AM »

I have played at the casino 67 times and won all 67

  but don't forget your own mantra: If it starts to tank, kick it and move on.. you still won!


Yep, if it start to tank, I kick it to the side. Never to be played again. I still follow my own advice on that and I would HOPE, others would consider all options before playing something...loss after loss after loss etc.

No shame at all, not playing something anymore.

Ken
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2017, 06:15:35 AM »
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2017, 07:12:13 AM »
Some responses indicate that shovels should be taken away from them, before the hole they are digging collapses on top of them.
For what it's worth, my opinion on hot and cold, the most recent number is the "hot" number, and then they get colder, as they get older.
And what's with this (lazy) obsession where subsequent replies are "tiled" so that all of the lead-up responses are stacked up and up and up.
Grow up, Quote a line or at most a para, but whole strings, on strings?
I play roulette, because it offers 35 to 1 odds, all day, every day, irrespective of how many or few times any number has previously appeared, but in most of these (veiled) arguments, the agitators seem intent on qualifying or otherwise specious points where .01 of a currency unit up or down is a step nearer the HG.
Certainly will not lead to attention from any pit-boss.
 
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2017, 10:20:08 PM »
I play roulette because the money is so massively leveraged and I have as much time as a I want to make my decisions if I need it.  Compare that to THE and its a world of difference! :D
 
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2017, 12:32:21 PM »
I have never, ever seen a "biased" wheel, and I have scrutinized and examined every wheel I have played against.
I have played against "biased" dealers, and alongside prejudiced players, who claimed that wheels were rigged, (because they were losing)
The "thing" about table roulette, in a B&M, is that playing the game, alters the game, and the psychological "levers" within players minds, can lead to many types of irrational conclusion.
Play zerospiel nine times in a row, seven of the results fall dead centre in the tiers, (opposite) and the other two on seven and one.
So, you play one "heavy" wager on the tiers, and end up shedding some when the next result is bang on twenty-six.
Just because your head and your heart, feel that it should be "your" turn to win, it may not be, and the added compulsion factor of the game also, can be very unbalancing to the novice,
 
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2017, 12:43:20 PM »
 So what you say exactly? You got no ability to see wheel bias, is it so?
   Yet, you make conclusions based on your luck of ability.... 
   And somehow they autorise you to inspect wheels that you gonna play,????
    I belive some explaining is due....especially when you refer to many wheels you played and inspected.
 

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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2017, 01:20:55 PM »
Agreed, I have seen no bias, but I would suggest, neither have you.
I would be very interested to hear how you ascertain actual wheel bias is present, and I am not talking about 'leaning on the corner of the table.
I have played roulette on cruise ships, where the table was tipping one way or another for hours on end, and the ball, at some periods showed "anti-bias" by landing in "high-side" pockets.
-But, in my opinion, actual wheel "Bias" only exists in fertile imagination (occasionally original).
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2017, 10:55:35 PM »
I must believe in bias because casinos have spent so much money to fight against it, as well as anecdotal evidence of success applying the techniques.

I find it helpful to use some approximation of some AP techniques in my play because RNG has bias too! :D

Do AP players sometimes encounter RNG bias in their play?  I DO THINK THEY DO!! :D