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Pay close attention
« on: August 20, 2016, 08:22:05 PM »
Guys, I got this s**t figured out (not beat) and I'm giddy like a little girl. (lol)

Its all in HOT NUMBERS !!!!!

Trust me 100% on this. I know Turbo would even agree. You already know I no longer post DETAILS but at least read this......

Do as I did. Come up with at least 20 DIFFERENT versions of rules for your method for hot number play. One by one by one, eliminate what does not work. Yes, it will take a long long long long time but put a price on your future please. Test all 20 of your versions over *MANY* *MANY* spins. I did all mine, spin by spin.

So far I have not lost once at the casino and have not lost once at C. Casino (testing)....and I dont mean over four visits (lol).

The biggest keys....how many hot numbers bet (not too many), for how long do you bet them, what might of been WARM is now "hot", what WAS hot is no longer a factor, flat betting no progressions, the definition of short term must always stay constant, keep an eye on ball speed, ball size, wheel speed etc.

Figure all of this (as I did) into at least 20 DIFFERENT versions. Slowly narrow down what does NOT work. Forget your columns and GUT and KTF and progressions etc etc etc etc etc.

Once every six months or so, I see a new thread from someone...getting CLOSER to this and POOF, its gone. No more interest. (sad)

Figure out HOT numbers guys...IT'S THE *ONLY* WAY !!!!!!!!!!!

Ken


 
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2016, 11:05:03 PM »
Guys, I got this s**t figured out (not beat) and I'm giddy like a little girl. (lol)

Its all in HOT NUMBERS !!!!!

Trust me 100% on this. I know Turbo would even agree. You already know I no longer post DETAILS but at least read this......

Do as I did. Come up with at least 20 DIFFERENT versions of rules for your method for hot number play. One by one by one, eliminate what does not work. Yes, it will take a long long long long time but put a price on your future please. Test all 20 of your versions over *MANY* *MANY* spins. I did all mine, spin by spin.

So far I have not lost once at the casino and have not lost once at C. Casino (testing)....and I dont mean over four visits (lol).

The biggest keys....how many hot numbers bet (not too many), for how long do you bet them, what might of been WARM is now "hot", what WAS hot is no longer a factor, flat betting no progressions, the definition of short term must always stay constant, keep an eye on ball speed, ball size, wheel speed etc.

Figure all of this (as I did) into at least 20 DIFFERENT versions. Slowly narrow down what does NOT work. Forget your columns and GUT and KTF and progressions etc etc etc etc etc.

Once every six months or so, I see a new thread from someone...getting CLOSER to this and POOF, its gone. No more interest. (sad)

Figure out HOT numbers guys...IT'S THE *ONLY* WAY !!!!!!!!!!!

Ken
congratulations Ken. Pay atention for what ball does and remember that you need a drop point to be consistent.
 You can look to it as ratio of trials when ball does favorable behaviour egeinst trials when it doesn't. 
 For example.... from 10 spins ball does 7 as you expect and 3 it does something else. Ratio wI'll be 7/3. ...
   If you want consistently winning with such method, keep data and monitore the ratio. Determine minimal ratio wich is still favorable.
 When ratio has higher value you probably will consider to bet higher. Collect data on 5- 10 sessions of play and simulate different levels of abuse in your betting.
 Good luck.
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 02:51:20 AM »
That's great Ken.
I've been grappling with an optimal number of hot spots to bet for some time, and have been doing continual testing.
I've "narrowed" it down (for me) to between 7 and 12 spots. Each number of spots is very important and I've had to take the time to construct a complete analysis in search of optimal results. And of course endless testing. A difference of just 1 or 2 spots more or less can be huge insofar as the performance and behavior of the bankroll. It may take some time for me to find the "sweet spot" but I have growing confidence that it will be a powerful method in the end.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2016, 05:50:07 AM »
I agree Ken. For years I resisted the idea, but it's the only way to go IMO. Do you have a copy of Russell T. Barnhart's "Beating The Wheel"? In it he describes a simple hot number system which can be the basis for many tweaks.
 

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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2016, 07:19:17 AM »
Hot numbers I agree with Ken because they DO happen while Cold  numbers don't.
Limiting the numbers I agree with Ken
Another idea to the MIX  ( Not " stirring"  it up as usual Ken ! )
Hopefully not the 2 or 4 chip wins though ?
 
 

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 08:55:33 AM »
I agree Ken. For years I resisted the idea, but it's the only way to go IMO. Do you have a copy of Russell T. Barnhart's "Beating The Wheel"? In it he describes a simple hot number system which can be the basis for many tweaks.

I can look after the hot number system and scan it or take picture and send you chapter.
Do it later today.

Cheers
 
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2016, 09:19:58 AM »
Sputnik, I have the book and the system is really simple to explain:

Record numbers as they come in and bet those which have hit most. If there are some which have hit an equal number of times, pick the most recent. That's it. You can bet as many or as few numbers as you like, but just pick them according to that criteria.

1. The numbers which have hit most.
2. If there is a choice from (1), filter by those which have hit most recently.

Since the book is really about biased wheel play, he recommends that you collect a minimum of 800 spins, but for a hot number system the selection process is a good one.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2016, 09:47:12 AM »
In my 5 numbers Paroli system, a system I regard highly but none seems to care about (that's ok :-)) the main idea is that you pick 5 static numbers and you increase your bet when they start to become hot. And you keep on increasing if they get hotter.

The benefit on betting constantly the 5 same numbers is that you can easily track their performance over many spins and get a better idea on "where you are" in terms of appearances, repeats etc. If you constantly change numbers you can't track their performance.
 
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2016, 09:54:59 AM »
Don't agree that Hot Numbers is " THE ONLY WAY ". More likely variance at play.
I think simply betting ALL the numbers that have Hit 3 times WHILE YOU ARE WATCHING THE WHEEL is as good as any other. When to leave the table is up to each individual.
As for looking for a biased wheel in a casino operated by a corporation ! Come on guys  - get real.
Another " The ONLY WAY " . 800 spin trial ?
 How may others are there ?
Perhaps when Harry J finally arrives in the UK we UK members can meet up and show our skills at a REAL TABLE with REAL MONEY. Then we shall see who can Walk the Walk and those who can only Talk the Talk !
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Harry. Hurry up. I may not be here in another 20 years ! 
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2016, 10:05:46 AM »
As for looking for a biased wheel in a casino operated by a corporation ! Come on guys  - get real.
Another " The ONLY WAY " . 800 spin trial ? Jeee-sus C !
 

scep, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the word "bias". It's like a red flag to a bull with you.  ;D

I'm not suggesting that bias is the only way, only that if the wheel happens to be biased (even if temporarily), then Real (the guy with the false beard on the other side of the table) and I will be betting the same numbers. If the wheel isn't biased (which is probably the case) then you're at least making an honest attempt to catch the current variance.
 

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2016, 10:13:52 AM »
The benefit on betting constantly the 5 same numbers is that you can easily track their performance over many spins and get a better idea on "where you are" in terms of appearances, repeats etc. If you constantly change numbers you can't track their performance.

Kav,

I disagree. It seems to me that tracking the performance of a static set of numbers puts you back into the "triggers" camp. Why do you want to track this fixed set of numbers if not to start betting on them at some point when your stats seem to indicate an "opportunity"?

As I see it, the strategy of hot numbers isn't about triggers or virtual bets, but simply betting on those numbers which are currently experiencing positive variance, and thereby giving yourself the best chance to catch any number(s) which experience a long winning run. There's a subtle but important difference in the two approaches.

 
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Re: Pay close attention
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2016, 11:56:38 AM »
The benefit on betting constantly the 5 same numbers is that you can easily track their performance over many spins and get a better idea on "where you are" in terms of appearances, repeats etc. If you constantly change numbers you can't track their performance.

Kav,
I disagree. It seems to me that tracking the performance of a static set of numbers puts you back into the "triggers" camp. Why do you want to track this fixed set of numbers if not to start betting on them at some point when your stats seem to indicate an "opportunity"?

As I see it, the strategy of hot numbers isn't about triggers or virtual bets, but simply betting on those numbers which are currently experiencing positive variance, and thereby giving yourself the best chance to catch any number(s) which experience a long winning run. There's a subtle but important difference in the two approaches.

Tracking is important IMO for various reasons. It is useful to compare for example your bankroll with your win ratio. Do I lose because of variance or because I messed up something else? Remember the divisor plan system? The more wins you get the lower the divisor gets (and sometimes higher your bet). It's sort of the same concept or anyway it is just an example where tracking of your performance can be taken into account.

I believe wholeheartedly in proper tracking. I use it in Kav bet and most of my systems. And If I ever release a software it would be about "my kind of tracking". Again, I want to be clear that it is another thing to know were you stand and a different thing what you do with this info. I'm not suggesting that tracking knowledge automatically gives you a practical benefit. It is all about how you use the info.

For my style, it is unthinkable to risk my money and not have a clear idea how my bet (and parts of my bet) has performed. No the bankroll fluctuation is not a good enough indicator for me. I need to know more to judge the situation I'm in.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2016, 12:43:17 PM »
The benefit on betting constantly the 5 same numbers is that you can easily track their performance over many spins and get a better idea on "where you are" in terms of appearances, repeats etc. If you constantly change numbers you can't track their performance.

Kav,
I disagree. It seems to me that tracking the performance of a static set of numbers puts you back into the "triggers" camp. Why do you want to track this fixed set of numbers if not to start betting on them at some point when your stats seem to indicate an "opportunity"?

As I see it, the strategy of hot numbers isn't about triggers or virtual bets, but simply betting on those numbers which are currently experiencing positive variance, and thereby giving yourself the best chance to catch any number(s) which experience a long winning run. There's a subtle but important difference in the two approaches.

Tracking is important IMO for various reasons. It is useful to compare for example your bankroll with your win ratio. Do I lose because of variance or because I messed up something else? Remember the divisor plan system? The more wins you get the lower the divisor gets (and sometimes higher your bet). It's sort of the same concept or anyway it is just an example where tracking of your performance can be taken into account.

I believe wholeheartedly in proper tracking. I use it in Kav bet and most of my systems. And If I ever release a software it would be about "my kind of tracking". Again, I want to be clear that it is another thing to know were you stand and a different thing what you do with this info. I'm not suggesting that tracking knowledge automatically gives you a practical benefit. It is all about how you use the info.

For my style, it is unthinkable to risk my money and not have a clear idea how my bet (and parts of my bet) has performed. No the bankroll fluctuation is not a good enough indicator for me. I need to know more to judge the situation I'm in.
Please, Mr. Kavouras, do not relise such softwares. Casinos are blatant about tracking their wheels and it's good as it is. Look what happen after Real was selling his book! He soon after took it out of availability,  but damage was done.... wheels changed, rrs was introduced, TSC suit updated.... ( software Haxley use).
  We do not want to create other BJ/ thorp situation, don't we?
 It becomes very interesting situation...  many hold info that can kill or change the game, up till now no one relise something strong enough to kill the game... it's better this way, l belive.
 
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2016, 02:00:41 PM »
Kav it is  pretty well to program a 5 parolli for a 5-numberbet.More easyer is a real 100 spins event.
The DTOP for a 5_numberbet is more than 2000 spins. All 5 numberbetevents of a player are within the short run trial. Without a trigger (stategy)  and hit and run I predict a loss.

Bayes writes that Hdoesnot use a trigger. The hot numbers are also  trigger method.
 

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2016, 02:44:57 PM »
As for looking for a biased wheel in a casino operated by a corporation ! Come on guys  - get real.
Another " The ONLY WAY " . 800 spin trial ? Jeee-sus C !
 

scep, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned the word "bias". It's like a red flag to a bull with you.  ;D

I'm not suggesting that bias is the only way, only that if the wheel happens to be biased (even if temporarily), then Real (the guy with the false beard on the other side of the table) and I will be betting the same numbers. If the wheel isn't biased (which is probably the case) then you're at least making an honest attempt to catch the current variance.
It is not only the word "bias" that irks me. It is the view of some that they are stating "truths" that are only opinions.
Read over your own post here.
"Only that"IF " the wheel happens  to be biased .  Like Real your view is based on IFs ?
And.. Just how can a wheel be biased" temporarily " ? It is either biased or it is not biased .How does a bias suddenly disappear ?   
And..if a wheel is biased then , logically, we could ALL be betting at a "possibly biased wheel" and that accounts for us winning !
And...if Real himself admits that you can practice AP on an UNBIASED wheel why would anyone waste their time trying to find a biased wheel when ANY wheel would do?
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