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Scarface

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Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« on: March 08, 2016, 12:53:09 AM »
I'm testing a system online that I would like to try out soon with real money.  So far, results are pretty good.  I've play the system until I reach 200 spins and stop and record the result.  Out of 23 sessions, so far there has only been one loser.

The roulette simulator pulls its results from Random.org.  Just wondering if I can expect similar results from the same system I'm playing if I were basing it on actual spins from a casino, since both are random


 

Reyth

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2016, 01:06:08 AM »
Some will disagree but I believe there is still a strong enough contingent here that will say that there is no demonstrable difference between a real wheel and an RNG wheel.  Dobble, myself, Harry (and therefore I must assume Pales) I know all believe this.

Its my personal opinion that RNG will give you a BETTER idea about your system because you can unload millions of spins which would be quite difficult with a real wheel.  Contrary to what many say, millions of spins ARE useful because they expose the hidden variance in the system that otherwise would remain hidden.

How can I get this Random.org simulator?
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2016, 01:19:07 AM »
Thanks Reyth.  I really don't see how the results of a system would differ much long term, since both are random.  I practice on roulette-simulator.info
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2016, 01:47:37 AM »
Aha, ok thanks! :D
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2016, 07:00:30 AM »
Guaranteed for superficial to advanced system testing = same, same.

Beyond advanced system testing, the waters do muddy.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 07:25:01 AM by Trilobite »
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2016, 05:42:25 PM »
    Hi Chingy,
                 Good to hear from you again. You have been out of touch for a while. Is everything OK ? I will drop you  PM as I would like to get your Email again. I Lost all my data when my last computer crashed.

      I am ambivalent about RNG casinos. The results do seem to differ from live wheels, but it is difficult to quite say how. Streaks definitely do seem to be longer as are those zigzags.
      Many people claim that they cheat I can't swear that I have been cheated, but I always made sure the casino was in an area where there was a good gambling board of control. Most reputable online casinos now feature live wheels, which should give you a good test.
      For long term testing your online RNG (that isn't linked to a casino) should give you reasonable results. The problem with testing live spins , is that it takes forever.

      If long term testing is what you need Reyth would be a good person to speak with. he seems to love testing systems.
               Regards,
                            Harry
 

Scarface

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2016, 06:49:05 PM »
HI Harry.  I'm a new member here, so not the Chingy you think I am.  Just changed my display name to avoid confusion lol.  Thanks for the reply.  I've been playing roulette for years, but the closest casino is 2 hour drive.  Do you have any online casinos for roulette you would recommend? 
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 07:14:44 PM »
Many years ago I would sit at a live table for 100/111 spins and I noted the starting and stopping  times. They were usually  between 3 hours and 3 and  1/2 hours . Airball "tables " are a bit shorter but not 100 or 120 - I just don't see it. I don't do RNG tables so don't know about their speeds .
As Harry says , if you know your Method the speeds shouldn't be a problem - unless your Method is
complicated - like Bebedictus' s.
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2016, 10:25:24 PM »
I guess to put it another way would be if you discover a "holy grail" that wins with numbers from Random.org, would this also win a live wheel?  So far, after thousands of plays, I can't be beaten with Random.org numbers.  Just hope this works as well in the casino  :)
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2016, 10:36:09 PM »
I feel totally confident with RNG results applied to real wheel play.  My testing results model real wheel results as recorded over the history of real wheel roulette play.  If I cannot be beaten over millions of RNG spins, I know that I have a winning system no matter what fair wheel I play on whether it be RNG or physical.
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2016, 10:48:51 PM »
I feel totally confident with RNG results applied to real wheel play.  My testing results model real wheel results as recorded over the history of real wheel roulette play.  If I cannot be beaten over millions of RNG spins, I know that I have a winning system no matter what fair wheel I play on whether it be RNG or physical.

I feel the same way.  I don't know anything about coding, but I think that my system of play would be nearly impossible to test over a million spins. 
I've played it the long way daily up to 200 spins and stop.  I use 200 as a benchmark because thats about how many spins i usually play live.  All have been winning sessions but one (although it recovered 20 spins later).  Over 5000 spins and working great so far!
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2016, 10:58:05 PM »
Excellent.  The Law impressed me some time ago with his benchmark of 10000 spins.  He said that he wouldn't even begin to trust a system that hadn't passed that mark.  He also said that some systems took 20000 spins to fail even.
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2016, 12:49:07 AM »
Gonna keep testing over next few weeks to see how this thing goes.  Also, plan on making a few trips to the casino to play minimum bets to see how it plays out on the wheel.   So far, I've been pretty successful on live wheel when I stuck to the system.  Things only when south when I changed things up, and did a steep progression with a small bankroll.  Lesson learned.
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2016, 02:12:54 AM »
Gonna keep testing over next few weeks to see how this thing goes.  Also, plan on making a few trips to the casino to play minimum bets to see how it plays out on the wheel.   So far, I've been pretty successful on live wheel when I stuck to the system.  Things only when south when I changed things up, and did a steep progression with a small bankroll.  Lesson learned.

My advice is to stop testing and just GO FOR IT !
Past spins are past spins and they didn't give you anything other than snapshots. The only true test is
by putting real money on a real table .Just make sure that you really do understand your system and you have a bankroll that will cope with your expectations and you have the temperament to accept losing bets.
and the Best of Luck !
 

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Re: Testing Actual Spins vs RNG
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2016, 07:08:04 PM »
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