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#### Bayes

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2017, 04:13:15 PM »
This whole thread seems pretty fuzzy to me, I'm having trouble grasping what  you guys are trying to get across.

@ Kav, your first post isn't clear to me, but I think what you mean by it is that if you divide spins into fixed "windows", then it's harder for a streak, or any given event, to "fit" exactly into that window (so that it begins when the window starts and ends when it ends). That's true because you're asking the random outcomes to comply with your predetermined divisions. I use this principle myself when playing, partly because it's an antidote to curve-fitting. You can look at the marquee (if betting R/B) and see all kinds of long streaks and patterns which disappear if the spins are divided into equally spaced blocks.

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2017, 04:26:06 PM »
you're asking the random outcomes to comply with your predetermined divisions. I use this principle myself when playing, partly because it's an antidote to curve-fitting.

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2017, 04:48:14 PM »
Kav and Reyth, I will try and expound on my style when I have a bit more time and I am at my pc.
I can not speak for anybody else as far as there method and forward thinking, but I want you to look at it this way....
Instead of trying to predict what is going to happen next, bet on what you know has a steady perpensity to always happen in a certain amount of spins.
I have tried to mention in other posts that I get my data from www.la [nofollow] roulette.it. I am not trying to promote that site for any other reason. I go to the permanenze and click on any random casino data from any year. After that you can go to Rosso e Nero, black red in this case and look at the series break down. It will give you the stats on 2's, 3's, 4's.....and so on. You can also click on any condition you may want to study. At the bottom of each condition page I like to click on a tab that says detagglio Della permanenza. I am not able to do the high tech computer stuff Reyth and others can do so I feed my head the old fashion way, manually. I do not complicate my observations, I just count the average gaps in between certain events. This particular site makes it easier for ME.
As far as playing and making money from this data, it is not hard when you set your triggers in a reasonable parameter.

All this data means nothing without a good method of score keeping. This is where the consistency begins.
I am not sure how to present an example score sheet, because I do not know how to put one up here on this site. If you want to help me though the process, I would be more than willing to do so, and give a sample session of the basics.
After which I am sure it will become more clear and you can see how elementary the play really is.

I hope I did not piss you off, Kav, by mentioning that data site! It is not my intent.....

Best Regards,   juice.
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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2017, 04:55:06 PM »
Actually, I think that Geoffrey and Terminator would really like this site due to their Trading skills.  Just a post script~

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#### Reyth

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2017, 04:55:49 PM »
1) Open up a free account here: http://tinypic.com

Be sure to have your ad blockers/anti-virus softwares up and running because it has at least one popup.  If you sign up they will allow you to store your images in folders.

2) Scan an image of a real-life sheet onto your hard drive OR make a spreadsheet of a score sheet and take a screenshot of it.

3) Upload the image to Tiny Pic and copy the "link for direct layouts" link.

4) Post it here like so:

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2017, 04:56:32 PM »
as you can see my skills are a combination of Forrest Gump and Rain man . How bout I just email you the sheet and you post it?! Lol
Thanks Reyth
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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2017, 05:10:39 PM »

triggers for the series tell you where you can start a mild progression.

as for example for a serie of 3 or more showing up.

if a  series of two's   have been missing 4 times because of 3s,or 4s,ect...  you can after seing the first 2 s, bet your first leg of a progression. but when you lose your bet you have to wait for another two's to show up before making a second bet to the negative progression, ect...up to 4 times is a good number. 1,2,4,8.
key is allready know the triggers of many you want to see absent befor the start.
for 2s, 3s, 4s,   a trigger of 4 times "no see", because of longer groups is a good start.

now for groups of singles, I would not touch any until I see 8 of them of the same type. black and reds I consider 2 different types.  because if you put them together you get a double wammy, like 14,18 singletons at once.  the perfect storm and it will empty your pockets in no times. so they have to be regarded as separate entity.
every serie should have its own progression. 3 blacks and followed by 3 reds to me is 2 different entities. you could play them as one but then get even more picky and wait for a higher number of missed like 6 times instead of 4.
great topic.

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2017, 05:20:24 PM »
Rinad, great explanation! With the power of conditional play, I recommend for players to not even touch the singles ever again, no matter how tempting they are. If you set your play up correctly, you will be riding those streaks instead of trying to bet on when they will end.... Refreshing that I can talk the basics to someone that gets it! The betting style possibilities are endless, and can be tailored to an individual's skill level, risk tolerance, and bank roll.
It ain't rocket science....

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2017, 05:29:27 PM »

My perspective and methodology is not same and different so i can not give any further comments.
But i note Bayes comment about determine sections to limit the permanence performance - i like that perspective.
Also grasp Juice comment about the subject - for me he talk about most common and less common events.
But i have hard time to understand Kav's first post.

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2017, 05:30:13 PM »
So a series of 2's is:

RR BB RR BB <=== 4 in a row?

And 2's missing 4 times is like:

RRR B R BBB <=== 2's have not appeared 4 times in a row?

I just want to make sure I at least have the basics that you guys are referring to?

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2017, 05:44:51 PM »
Reyth do not count singles, just threes and beyond. Actually your first example is a home run within my parlay play to clear bank debt, I will explain more on that later. But..... rr bb rr bb rr bb, is a wonderful thing providing you are in on the play, if not, no harm done.
Actually two's have not appeared two times in your example, not four to make it more clear.
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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2017, 06:00:51 PM »
Why don't the singles count?  Aren't they events?

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2017, 06:26:41 PM »
no not in this case. You are betting bound 2's, so in that respect they are in play because you are betting on a change to create them, but their appearance in the case of this stratagy, would force you to bet too often, hence obscuring the math. Just look at any ec, that is three or more and count how many of them come out concurrently before a bound 2 shows up. It will make more sense then. Also, the further you can space out your attempts, the flatter your bet can remain before a divisor is employed. If you have the patience and disapline to wait on 2's not showing up for let's say 4 times after you see the 3's or beyond run concurrent, even with single in between, you can not be beat with a solid banking method. Do not get me wrong, I play the 2's in other ways also, cause they are just too strong to ignore!
The 2's are a necessary gateway to all other events, except for the stagger/ chop...brbrbrbrbrbr. Think about it.

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2017, 06:33:04 PM »

Singles is important event as any other event - but if Juice is clustering or skip some events then hes games maybe start from series of two and higher - i don't know - but that is a possibility.

I can show you one example where you can win 30 to 50 events in a row with only two loses.
For example i get singles and series of two hitting 15 times as events and after that series of three or higher with singles for 20 times as events.

That is two states who is connected with past results into future results and you can take advantage out of that conditional situation and you just hold your bet once and the rest is winnings or break evens for the hole 35 events.

One person use a method based upon same principals and won 40 shoes in a row.
And that would not be possible if you don't explore the EC bias states.

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##### Re: Skips and series are more balanced?
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2017, 06:33:27 PM »
Bayes,
I understand what you are saying, but it is not what I'm saying.

The confusion in my own post is maybe due to the fact that I don't really use the concept I describe for even chances. So for my part forget the simple chances. Let's take a corner bet (4 numbers).
The corner bet has a 50% chance of appearing within 6 spins. We count from hit to hit. When it hits within 6 spins we record a A and if it goes beyond 6 spins without a hit we record a B.
H: Hit
M: Miss
A: Hit within 6 spins
B: Hit after 6 spins

M M H (A) M M M H (A) M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M H (B) M M M H (A) M M H (A) M M M M M M M M H (B) etc.

We then have a sequence of AABAAB... etc.

So what I do is count the spins between hits. Dividing the sequences in A or B, each of which has a 50% chance. We have created some sort of even chance and we record the results. These results are less extreme than your common Red Black High Low etc. results.

A further characteristic of this approach is that you can have even more information. For example you know that in average (long term) the H will be ~1/9 of total spins. Because we bet 4 out of 37 numbers, 37/4 = 9,25. All B sequences are not the same. A very long B sequence (MMMMMMMMMMMMMMH) can draw the average too much away from the 1/9 and (so to speak) increases slightly the probability of a correction.
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